The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
Melkite4Life, son of the desert, chchannel, OrbisNonSufficit, SergLts
5,657 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
1 members (1 invisible), 148 guests, and 131 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Byzantine Nebraska
Byzantine Nebraska
by orthodoxsinner2, December 11
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
by Santiago Tarsicio, March 17
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
by JLF, November 10
Upgraded Russian icon corner
Upgraded Russian icon corner
by The young fogey, October 20
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
by likethethief, June 12
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics34,879
Posts412,869
Members5,657
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,943
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,943
On the same account, when you meet a European or Arab who will tell you to your face that the attacks of 9/11 were well 'deserved' and 'earned', please remember that they, too have the right to express their opinion. However, I guarantee you that it will not sit well with you.

You most certainly have a right to say that you didn't like President Bush as a President for his policies. That is why you also have the right to vote for a candidate whose policies you do like.

However, that does not give us the 'right' to delight in or engage in another, especially a leader, being treated disrespectfully with chants. No one ever 'deserves' that. I am sorry...and when President Obama departs after four or eight years, there will be, I am sure, those who will be glad to see him go, but--

Quote
Sadly, a crowd somehow gathered close to where he was leaving and sang that old song - can't remember it's title - na, na, na, na, hey, hey, good bye. They said he was greeted with dead silence at the ignaugration. So rude!!!


It would be equally immature, shameful and pathetic if the new president's supports were to sing that same chant and show that same rudeness to President Obama's face as he left--In my opinion, such behaviour is sinking to a new 'low' of which I am ashamed of.

Alice


Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
O
Member
Offline
Member
O
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
Alice

Not being a USA citizen - I have stayed out of this until now.

I refuse to argue about politics .

I have however noticed that the Leader of a Government , once out of Office is also frequently out of favour . It happens over here too . It's a fact of life , I fear .

For myself , I hope that Mr Bush has a peaceful and fulfilling retirement - he certainly is due it .

I hope that President Obama is given wise advice and that he makes wise decisions after sufficient time for reflection

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 482
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 482
Originally Posted by Pani Rose
Sadly, a crowd somehow gathered close to where he was leaving and sang that old song - can't remember it's title - na, na, na, na, hey, hey, good bye. They said he was greeted with dead silence at the ignaugration. So rude!!!


I don't know who "they" are, but when I watched the coverage of the inauguration, Bush was greeted by a round of appluse. Perhaps "they" weren't listening.

As far whether or not Geprge W. Bush is "a good man" I have no idea since I don't know him personally. He may be a good man but he was a mediocre president and I for one am ecstatic to see him go. Any prayers i say re: George W. Bush will be prayers of thanksgiving that our nation managed to survive 8 years of this man.

Last edited by DAVIDinVA; 01/22/09 12:16 AM.
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,502
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,502
I wonder if he will restore the right to life and the dignity of life to every individual, Then and only then will he impress me.
Stephanos I

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,735
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,735
Obama’s Victory - A British view
January 19th, 2009

The Daily Mail (UK) wrote this editorial about Obama on 1/6/2009.

A victory for the hysterical Oprah Winfrey, the mad racist preacher Jeremiah Wright, the US mainstream media who abandoned any sense of objectivity long ago, Europeans who despise America largely because they depend on her, comics who claim to be dangerous and fearless but would not dare attack genuinely powerful special interest groups.

A victory for Obama-worshippers everywhere.

A victory for the cult of the cult. A man who has done little with his life but has written about his achievements as if he had found the cure for cancer in between winning a marathon and building a nuclear reactor with his teeth. Victory for style over substance, hyperbole over history, rabble-raising over reality.

A victory for Hollywood, the most dysfunctional community in the world.

Victory for Streisand, Spielberg, Soros, Moore, and Sarandon. Victory for those who prefer welfare to will and interference to independence. For those who settle for group think and herd mentality rather than those who fight for individual initiative and the right to be out of step with meager political fashion.

Victory for a man who is no friend of freedom. He and his people have already stated that media has to be controlled so as to be balanced, without realizing the extraordinary irony within that statement. Like most liberal zealots, the Obama worshippers constantly speak of Fox and Limbaugh, when the vast bulk of television stations and newspapers are drastically liberal and anti-conservative. Senior Democrat Chuck Schumer said that just as pornography should be censored, so should talk radio. In other words, one of the few free and open means of popular expression may well be cornered and beaten by bullies who even in triumph cannot tolerate any criticism and opposition.

A victory for those who believe the state is better qualified to raise children than the family, for those who prefer teachers’ unions to teaching and for those who are naively convinced that if the West is sufficiently weak towards its enemies, war and terror will dissolve as quickly as the tears on the face of a leftist celebrity.

A victory for social democracy even after most of Europe has come to the painful conclusion that social democracy leads to mediocrity, failure, unemployment, inflation, higher taxes and economic stagnation. A victory for intrusive lawyers, banal sentimentalists, social extremists and urban snobs.

Congratulations America !

Alexandr

Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,134
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,134
Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Obama’s Victory - A British view
January 19th, 2009

The Daily Mail (UK) wrote this editorial about Obama on 1/6/2009.

A victory for the hysterical Oprah Winfrey, the mad racist preacher Jeremiah Wright, the US mainstream media who abandoned any sense of objectivity long ago, Europeans who despise America largely because they depend on her, comics who claim to be dangerous and fearless but would not dare attack genuinely powerful special interest groups.

A victory for Obama-worshippers everywhere.

A victory for the cult of the cult. A man who has done little with his life but has written about his achievements as if he had found the cure for cancer in between winning a marathon and building a nuclear reactor with his teeth. Victory for style over substance, hyperbole over history, rabble-raising over reality.

A victory for Hollywood, the most dysfunctional community in the world.

Victory for Streisand, Spielberg, Soros, Moore, and Sarandon. Victory for those who prefer welfare to will and interference to independence. For those who settle for group think and herd mentality rather than those who fight for individual initiative and the right to be out of step with meager political fashion.

Victory for a man who is no friend of freedom. He and his people have already stated that media has to be controlled so as to be balanced, without realizing the extraordinary irony within that statement. Like most liberal zealots, the Obama worshippers constantly speak of Fox and Limbaugh, when the vast bulk of television stations and newspapers are drastically liberal and anti-conservative. Senior Democrat Chuck Schumer said that just as pornography should be censored, so should talk radio. In other words, one of the few free and open means of popular expression may well be cornered and beaten by bullies who even in triumph cannot tolerate any criticism and opposition.

A victory for those who believe the state is better qualified to raise children than the family, for those who prefer teachers’ unions to teaching and for those who are naively convinced that if the West is sufficiently weak towards its enemies, war and terror will dissolve as quickly as the tears on the face of a leftist celebrity.

A victory for social democracy even after most of Europe has come to the painful conclusion that social democracy leads to mediocrity, failure, unemployment, inflation, higher taxes and economic stagnation. A victory for intrusive lawyers, banal sentimentalists, social extremists and urban snobs.

Congratulations America !

Alexandr


Gospodi Pomiluj! It took a Brit to speak the truth!

Thanks for posting this Alex!

cc:GWB.. wink

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,775
D
Member
Offline
Member
D
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,775
As a part-time English prof., I admire the parallelism of the various paragraphs. Unfortunately, each of the "victory" statements has no back up other than subjective impressions. (e.g., "media has to be controlled" - whatever that may mean in practical terms. But one doesn't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater if there is none; there has to be some responsibility in what one says. And I think it applies to the media as well. Including the Internet.)

The U.K. Daily Mail is a very old publication, a tabloid with a 'circulation' of 2 million copies. It very closely parallels our own U.S. "National Enquirer" - the largest circulation 'newspaper' in the nation.

Their major article for today is copied below:

Former French President Chirac hospitalised after mauling by his clinically depressed poodle
By Ian Sparks
Last updated at 5:45 PM on 21st January 2009
Former French president Jacques Chirac was rushed to hospital after being mauled by his own 'clinically depressed' pet dog.
The 76-year-old statesman was savaged by his white Maltese dog - which suffers from frenzied fits and is being treated with anti-depressants.
The animal, named Sumo, had become increasingly violent over the past years and was prone to making 'vicious, unprovoked attacks', Chirac's wife Bernadette said. ......

Mrs Chirac said: 'The dog went for him for no apparent reason.
'We were already aware the animal was unpredictable and is actually being treated with pills for depression.
'My husband was bitten quite badly, but he is certain to make a full recovery over the coming weeks.'
The former French First Lady did not reveal where on his body Chirac was bitten.
The pet, named after the Japanese form of wrestling, was a gift to the Chiracs from their grandson Martin.
Recent polls have shown that since leaving office Chirac is now regarded as one of the most popular politicians in France, liked by 70 per cent of people.
In the last days of his presidency, he was much less popular, liked by just 50 per cent of the population."

Earth shattering reportage!!

I think I'll take the TIMES OF LONDON as a more reputable source of information from the U.K.

Dr John



Joined: May 2004
Posts: 706
I
Member
Offline
Member
I
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 706
The 911 examples aren't appropiate because no one is wishing Bush death.

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,518
Catholic Gyoza
Member
Offline
Catholic Gyoza
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,518
Originally Posted by indigo
The 911 examples aren't appropiate because no one is wishing Bush death.


No one? Are you sure about that?

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,881
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,881
What do you expect from a small 'c' conservative paper that claims to speak for 'Middle England'.

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 49
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 49
I agree that booing and chanting na na na naa good bye is inappropriate at a Presidential Inauguration. That kind of behavior belongs at baseball games. Furthermore, as those classless Obama supporters carry on insulting Bush they are antagonizing people on the other side of their opinion. That might and I say might be ok at a baseball game, but it can be potentially dangerous in politics, this is one way radicals are made!

Just two more things.I feel strongly about the Fairness Doctrine. I feel strongly that its wrong for America! It is wrong to force a privately owned radio station to air programing that is against what they believe!

And with due respect to Dr.John's post, "But one doesn't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater if there is none; there has to be some responsibility in what one says. And I think it applies to the media as well. Including the Internet.)" I challenge you to find statements made by any conservative talk show hosts(Rush or Coutler,etc,)that has said anything equivalent to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. Prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt and I'll rethink my position! -Freedom is one of those precious gifts once taken away you have to fight to take it back!

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
O
Member
Offline
Member
O
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
which is known in some Circles as " The Daily Wail "

biggrin

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,775
D
Member
Offline
Member
D
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,775
I'm not sure how Rush or Coulter come into it, I was only making the point that I believe that there is an obligation to speak the truth. While "urban legends" have always existed, and the Internet and mass communications have made it easier than ever to spread them, it only increases our obligation to examine what we pass on as "fact" and ensure that it corresponds to truth.

While our personal "beliefs" (=subjective truth) are our own, and can/should be freely expressed, "truth" corresponds to factual reality that can be demonstrated to others. There are many folks out there who make a lifestyle of passing on their own beliefs or even out-and-out scams as truth - thus, the internet sites that check out and de-bunk things like "Bill Gates will give millions if you send this e-mail to 20 people."

Unfortunately, there are many who don't do their homework and who uncritically pass on information that is false - especially if it supports one or another personal view. Regardless of political, religious or ethnic persuasion, as Christians we have an obligation to speak the truth to the best of our ability and knowledge. And that means checking things out before making statements or passing things on, and most especially when it does damage to another person. The 8th Commandment about bearing false witness is still in effect.

Dr John

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,775
D
Member
Offline
Member
D
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,775
Sorry I missed the part about: "The Daily Wail"!! It's sold in Scotland also?!! I should think that the Scots would be waaaay too frugal to spend money on the print equivalent of Jerry Springer!

Dr John

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Originally Posted by Dr John
I'm not sure how Rush or Coulter come into it, I was only making the point that I believe that there is an obligation to speak the truth.

Dr John


President Obama brought Rush into it. He told Congress to stop listening...

The Drudge Report blared the New York Post report by Charles Hurt that President Obama told the Republicans in Congress that they should go along and get along, and stop listening to Rush Limbaugh: "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-gr...urn-rush-limbaugh-show-will-media-notice

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2020 (Forum 1998-2020). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5