Vinolentus, RusOrthCath, Cavaradossi, Roman Interloper, ftbond, NitaMacdonald1930, SOL, etomaria, Kostyantyn, Benny, Ivanov325, DocH, andria, Joe Smith, CanuckK8
4466 Registered Users |
|
|
13 registered (Curious Joe, jjp, Nicole, DMD, Thomas the Seeker, theophan, Anathema Sit, Peter J, StuartK, Collin Nunis, 3 invisible),
204
Guests and
2
Spiders online. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
4466 Members
26 Forums
30155 Topics
373719 Posts
Max Online: 1087 @ 07/16/07 01:09 PM
|
|
|
#31295 - 04/14/03 03:36 PM
Re: Ukrainian Diocese Lacking Parish Churches
|
Member
Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 843
Loc: On The Way
|
Dear Alex: I grant you that the "trump card" of being Ukie was indeed present in my example. Still, remember how it was that V&O's was forced to seek refuge with our bretheren the Orthodox in the first place.  Yours, kl
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#31298 - 04/14/03 11:54 PM
Re: Ukrainian Diocese Lacking Parish Churches
|
Member
Registered: 03/24/02
Posts: 7169
Loc: Kansas/UGCC
|
Dear kl, I wonder if Bishop Gabro ever regretted his decision over the mandatory calendar change that eventually drove the refugee V&O parish to the Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral of St. Volodymyr (which as I recall is at a former German Lutheran church), broke up families, caused fist fights and made it to national news... When Patriarch Josyp visited it is interesting that he went to V&O first and only then to St. Nicholas Cathedral Mnohaja Lita to Archpriest Ivan. (I hope you all update your website sometime )
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#31299 - 04/15/03 09:27 AM
Re: Ukrainian Diocese Lacking Parish Churches
|
Member
Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 22291
Loc: Canada
|
Dear John, Well, as you know, there are Ukrainian Greek-Catholics and Ukrainian Roman-Catholics and we're stuck with that situation! I have a prayerbook of the Latin Ukies from Ukraine that my in-laws brought for me. The only difference in the linguistic usage that I noticed was that while our Basilian prayerbooks refer to the Rosary as the "Vervitsa" (which is the prayer rope and not the Western beads), the Ukie Latins refer to it as the "Rozarij" which is what it is. There were a few more examples of a proper Ukrainian description of Latin devotions which our Greek-Catholics of the "Uniat mentality" have tried to give an Eastern name to in order to make it more "palatable" and acceptable to Eastern Catholics. Alex
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#31300 - 04/15/03 09:29 AM
Re: Ukrainian Diocese Lacking Parish Churches
|
Member
Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 22291
Loc: Canada
|
Dear Diak, As you know, the bishop in question said he did a questionnaire regarding the New Calendar and that the results were in favour of the change. Others did an independent survey and found that the people were actually largely against the change. It was Valentyn Moroz who once said that Ukrainians don't really see a difference between an Eastern Catholic and an Orthodox Church in their tradition. But they do definitely see a difference between a "Ukrainian Church" and a "Non-Ukrainian Church." And I say this at the risk of cat-calls of "Nationalist!" "Banderite!" "Mazeppite and supporter of Shevchenko!"  If that is the best our anti-Ukrainian friends can call us . . . such epithets are really compliments, not insults! Alex
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#31301 - 04/15/03 10:29 AM
Re: Ukrainian Diocese Lacking Parish Churches
|
Member
Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 843
Loc: On The Way
|
Dear Alex and Diak:
The change to the Gregorian for St. Nick's in Chicago was probably inevitable based upon Vladyka Bohachevsky's "let's make ourselves more palatable to the Latins" approach.
Still, the silver lining was that the founding of V&O's prompted the creation of several parishes around the US that are "traditionalist" and actively pro-Patriarchate. A few examples: (1) Protection of the Mother of God in suburban Cleveland; (2) St. Michael the Archangel in suburban Philly; and (3) Holy Trinity in suburban DC.
I know there are such parishes in Canada as well (St. Nick's in Toronto, St. Elijah in Brampton, St. George in Edmondton to name a few) although I don't know how the events in the 'States affected our bretheren to the North.
Yours,
kl
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#31302 - 04/15/03 12:27 PM
Re: Ukrainian Diocese Lacking Parish Churches
|
Member
Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 2953
Loc: USA
|
Lemko R: You might like to compare the Konigstein version with that from Lviv. http://www.risu.org.ua/article.php?sid=753&offsets=&l=en LVIV, UKRAINE, Apr 14, 03 (RISU.org.ua) – (Zenit.org, 11 APRIL 2003, KONIGSTEIN, Germany) Many of the faithful in the far southwestern Ukrainian Transcarpathia region are still forced to celebrate the Divine Liturgy on the open streets, because they have no parish church of their own. Bishop Milan Sasik, new bishop of the Greek Catholic eparchy (diocese) of Mukachevo, noted this during a visit to the headquarters of Aid to the Church in Need. The Mukachevo eparchy is not part of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, but is in full communion with Rome.
Just one-quarter of the churches which originally belonged to the Byzantine-rite Greek Catholic Church have been returned to their rightful owners by the state. The remaining 75% are still in the hands of the Orthodox Church.
"Was it not enough that our Bishop Theodore Romzha was murdered and our priests and faithful forced to spend so many years in Siberia?" asked Bishop Sasik.
The people themselves are too poor to fund the building of new churches, he said. Most of them are unemployed and many families have been split, and in some cases broken up, as a result of parents seeking work abroad.
Bishop Sasik lives in the still-unfinished seminary of Uzhhorod, where the 41 seminarians live in cramped conditions. The former bishop's residence was confiscated by the communists and turned into a university library. There are no funds available for a replacement building.
The eparchy of Mukachevo covers 5,000 square miles and has a population of some 1.25 million. A century ago all the parishes in this region were of the Eastern rite. Today between 300,000 and 500,000 people have once again declared their allegiance to the Greek Catholic Church.
There are now some 160 Greek Catholic priests and 11 monastic priests. In 1989-90, when communist rule ended, some 63 Greek Catholic priests emerged from the underground. But most of them have died since then. Better?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
Previous Topic
Index