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#313671 - 02/25/09 03:53 PM Re: Without Iconostasis [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance]
Pavel Ivanovich Offline
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Registered: 07/03/03
Posts: 2788
Loc: Western Australia
The servers are wearing the what I call the 'byzantine surplice' instead of the proper vestments. Latinisation is alive and well...sadly...and ongoing.

frown

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#313700 - 02/26/09 01:25 PM Re: Without Iconostasis [Re: Pavel Ivanovich]
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 5599
Loc: Dublin
At the Russian Orthodox church in Seattle, Saint John of Shanghai and San Francisco reposed during the night. Since it is known that Saint John never would like down to sleep, and his bed had no signs of having been used, Saint John was evidently praying while God took him. The room was converted into a chapel, where there was Divine Liturgy occasionally, but it was necessary to have the icon-screen against the wall. The same was true in the crypt chapel where Saint John's mortal remains were interred, awaiting his canonization. There was an annual Divine Liturgy (at least), but there was not sufficient room to have the Holy Table behind the icon-screen.

Fr. Serge

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#313708 - 02/26/09 02:43 PM Re: Without Iconostasis [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
Erie Byz Offline
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Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 427
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Bless, Father...I would say that is a fairly extreme and rare circumstance. I would surmise, as have many before, that the parish noted was simply conforming to being "more [Roman] Catholic." I have been to quite a few churches that do not have complete icon screens, but at least had icons of Christ and the Theotokos set up.

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#313760 - 02/27/09 07:38 AM Re: Without Iconostasis [Re: Erie Byz]
The young fogey Offline
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Registered: 11/03/01
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Yes, massive self-latinisation.

What Herbigny (especially), AMM, asianpilgrim and Pavel Ivanovich said. Pavel has described something I've noticed for some time, the self-latinisation of shortening the sticharion so it's more like a large Roman cotta.

Herbigny has described most of the Greek Catholic world outside of the Internet.

Thanks for the link to the page on the Old Believers.

Here is the chapel with an iconostasis on the wall:

http://members.tripod.com/old_rite_orthodox/id19.html

But also a holy table. The screen is against the wall only because of limited space. The priestless Old Believers have the screen on the wall but no holy table of course (no priests, no Liturgy).

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#313810 - 02/27/09 01:32 PM Re: Without Iconostasis [Re: asianpilgrim]
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Originally Posted By: asianpilgrim
Originally Posted By: AMM
The section on fasting and abstinence is interesting.


http://www.stnicholaschurch.ca/content_pages/ourfaith/art_faith010.FAQ.htm

Quite interesting. I didn't know that the UGCC has adopted the Latin practice on fasting (except that First Friday of Lent has been put in place of Ash Wednesday


I did not either.

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#313815 - 02/27/09 01:58 PM Re: Without Iconostasis [Re: asianpilgrim]
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Quote:
Quite interesting. I didn't know that the UGCC has adopted the Latin practice on fasting (except that First Friday of Lent has been put in place of Ash Wednesday


??? The Latin Church does not require abstinence from dairy products on any day. From the site cited above:
Quote:
Following the Lord's teaching, the Church asks the faithful to fast on certain days and to abstain from meat and also from dairy products on certain days.
While the site does include minimum prescriptions, of course more is encouraged if possible.

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