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One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas #316696
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I've never seen anything like this. This Ukrainian Catholic parish in Pennsylvania has an Iconostas with frosted glass (etched)? icons.

Has anyone here seen something similar anywhere else?

http://www.stanneukrainiancc.com/photo.html

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Etnick] #316712
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I've never seen anything like it either - and I don't think I care to see anything like it again.

Fr. Serge

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #316718
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The doors between the vestibule and the nave of my former parish were like that, only they have iconic seraphim (or cherubim?) on them.

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: John K] #316722
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I have seen them in churches, but not on the iconostasis.


Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Alice] #316727
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I'm wondering if it was an attempt to save money, and at the same time, be unique. They just don't look right.

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Alice] #316731
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There are one or two iconostases with glass-etched or painted icons like this in the Archeparchy of Pittsburgh.

A priest-friend of mine with a parish which does not have a screen was considering getting one of them from one of the parishes which was closed in the last few years.

I'd have to look in the '99 Archeparchial history book for the names of the parishes.


Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Fr. Jon] #316747
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The Greek Catholic parish in Zal─âu, Romania has a stained glass iconostas:

http://www.egco.ro/photos_s183_ro.php

Definitely... unique. smile

Dave

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Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Chtec] #316752
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Interesting....

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Alice] #316756
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If a parish wants a more "see-through" iconostas, there are many ways of accomplishing this without resorting to glass. Like this, for example:

[Linked Image]

Dave

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: John K] #316783
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Originally Posted by John K
The doors between the vestibule and the nave of my former parish were like that, only they have iconic seraphim (or cherubim?) on them.


The same doors of our Melkite Cathedral are done similarly to what John describes.

I'd have to say that, given a choice between the iconostasis with the etched glass and the stained glass one that David has shown, I'd opt for the etched - in a heartbeat. The stained glass one is very unattractive - almost gaudy. As regards the etched, it may be that - a generation from now - such will be included in any discussion of iconic media.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Irish Melkite] #316784
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Hmmm - I know that stained glass is very popular in some countries - I have to admit I like mediaeval stained glass - but modern stained glass in an Iconostasis is not to my taste at all.

What's wrong with the more open one that David also showed ?

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Our Lady's slave] #316790
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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. That church saw this as their way of practicing our traditions and I respect that.

I would think etched glass would make a nice option in the side windows in the Naive of the church if we had to replace the stained glass windows.

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: stivvy] #316823
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Actually, my view might be very different were the stained glass one of a more ancient style. Although I might still not appreciate it as an iconostasis (would have to see and ponder on it), I could appreciate the beauty. The glass in the one pictured looks like it was put together from (forget the name right now) my daughter's toy that produces sun-catchers after you 'bake' the object.

The more that I think about it, the more willing I might be, though, to consider etched glass as an iconographic form.

Consider this - the Romanians are well known for creating beautiful and venerable icons in the style of reverse painting on glass. Are those an acceptable medium for use in an iconostasis? I'd be very surprised if there are no instances of this (and I'll bet Dave can find one, if there is).

And, another thought, while many of us acknowledge embroidered iconography as such a form, would it be appropriate for use on an iconostasis? (Think of the prospects for a poor mission to use such in its early years, before having the funds to construct a traditional one or the ease of transport for a priest riding the circuit between several small communities).

The ultimate question, I guess, is whether all iconography is suitable for this particular usage?

(Don't be surprised if this thread moves to the Iconography sub-forum tonight. I'm starting to think that's the best venue for it.)

Many years,

Neil


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Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Irish Melkite] #316826
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I thought about putting it in the icon forum, but I thought it would get more exposure here.

Re: One of a kind (maybe) Iconostas [Re: Etnick] #316831
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Originally Posted by Etnick
I thought about putting it in the icon forum, but I thought it would get more exposure here.


hmm, got to think about that possibility


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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