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#316859 - 03/28/09 07:27 PM
Re: DEBaptism!!
[Re: Alice]
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I wish I thought this was a joke. Unfortunately I'm already aware of it in a few other connections. It might make a thin modicum of sense in, say, Germany, where the Churches are subsidized from tax money - one can issue a declaration that one does not belong to any organized religion and the tax money should therefore go to a cultural fund.
But that is not quite the same thing as purporting to "undo" a Sacrament by fiat. Can anyone seriously imagine a bishop "unbaptizing" someone by signing a piece of paper?
Fr. Serge
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#316899 - 03/29/09 02:12 AM
Re: DEBaptism!!
[Re: Pani Rose]
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Actually its just the Humanits trying to make noise. They ant to impoe their beleifs on all of soicety, including the Churches. They know full well you cant be "debapptised", but want to force the Churches into accepting them as Debptised in order to fulfill some silly little nonsense norion they have that they can undo sacraments.
Its just a power play, nothing more.
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#316910 - 03/29/09 08:58 AM
Re: DEBaptism!!
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I thought I read somewhere that you can do this in Poland as well: unbelievers can have a note added to church records acknowledging their unbelief. But yes, as Anglicans, RCs and Orthodox agree there is no such thing as debaptism and this is just anti-religious people making noise.
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#316912 - 03/29/09 09:34 AM
Re: DEBaptism!!
[Re: The young fogey]
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I thought I read somewhere that you can do this in Poland as well: unbelievers can have a note added to church records acknowledging their unbelief. But yes, as Anglicans, RCs and Orthodox agree there is no such thing as debaptism and this is just anti-religious people making noise. In baptism we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In 'debaptism' what we see are persons that were given that gift but are clearly rejecting it. The one unforgiveable sin is 'blasphame against the Holy Spirit', which as I understand it, is rejecting God. It seems to me that is what these poor troubled persons are doing...they are not requesting this pathetic action to join another organized faith tradition of Christianity, nor even to join another one of the major monotheistic religions. They are blatantly and somewhat angrily, denying, rejecting, and blaspheming God in all understandings of Him, as well as the gift of baptism which they were given by their Christian parents in order to attain grace as members of His Body. It is very sad and unfortunate...may our Lord God bring them to repentence and peace. Alice
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#316915 - 03/29/09 10:19 AM
Re: DEBaptism!!
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Of course a person cannot be "unbaptized"! By baptism we are joined permanently and inseparably to Christ's mystical body. If someone makes a formal act of defection from the Church, that person becomes an apostate, heretic or schismatic (as the case may be), but he is still a baptized Christian, whether he likes it or not!
Edited by Latin Catholic (03/29/09 10:22 AM)
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#317097 - 03/31/09 06:09 AM
Re: DEBaptism!!
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Certificate of Debaptism - Video All of this atheist nonsense has led to new, creative ways of apostasy. More than 100,000 Britons have recently downloaded "certificates of de-baptism" from the Internet to renounce their Christian faith.
The initiative launched by a group called the National Secular Society (NSS) follows atheist campaigns here and elsewhere, including a London bus poster which triggered protests by proclaiming "There's probably no God."
"We now produce a certificate on parchment and we have sold 1,500 units at three pounds (4.35 dollars, 3.20 euros) a pop," said NSS president Terry Sanderson, 58.
... De-baptism organisers say the initiative is a response to what they see as increasing stridency from churches -- the latest last week when Pope Benedict XVI stirred global controversy on a trip to AIDS-ravaged Africa by saying condom use could further spread of the disease.
"The Catholic Church is so politically active at the moment that I think that is where the hostility is coming from," said Sanderson. "In Catholic countries there is a very strong feeling of wanting to punish the church by leaving it." As I recall reading, when Julian the Apostate wanted to renounce his baptism, he had himself baptized in the blood of bulls. Far messier, yet far more dramatic than downloading a document off of the internet!
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