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#322450 - 05/20/09 12:31 PM
Re: Number one supporter of abortions to speak at Notre Dame Comm
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Subdeacon Boris, Here is an interesting discussion on this very topic... Fr. Z's Blog - On LR article. I do not think it is a situation where the Pope had a direct hand in this nonsense. God bless, Fr. Deacon Daniel
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#322452 - 05/20/09 12:39 PM
Re: Number one supporter of abortions to speak at Notre Dame Comm
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ebed,
I fully concur with your comments. It may come as a surprise to Pustinik but one of my best friends a Black colleague who is a Catholic, who is opposed to abortion, who is a Republican would disagree with him most strongly.
CDL Yes - the great "liberal lie" is that voters exist in neatly packaged, almost hermetically sealed social identity groups which form voting blocks (or at least they should). If someone strays from the metanarrative, they are clearly either duped or a social heretic. They just don't "GET IT." I really don't think this problem is limited to liberals. Ryan, I agree, but I do think it is a problem which tends to predominate among liberal progressives. How else could one explain why conservative African Americans who, say, oppose "affirmative action" policies and practices are vilified and regarded as traitors by the political left? To Alice's point, this is not simply about "parties." Republicans certainly have their share of liberal progressives. God bless, FrDD
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#322454 - 05/20/09 12:48 PM
Re: Number one supporter of abortions to speak at Notre Dame Comm
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ebed,
I fully concur with your comments. It may come as a surprise to Pustinik but one of my best friends a Black colleague who is a Catholic, who is opposed to abortion, who is a Republican would disagree with him most strongly.
CDL Yes - the great "liberal lie" is that voters exist in neatly packaged, almost hermetically sealed social identity groups which form voting blocks (or at least they should). If someone strays from the metanarrative, they are clearly either duped or a social heretic. They just don't "GET IT." I really don't think this problem is limited to liberals. Ryan, I agree, but I do think it is a problem which tends to predominate among liberal progressives. How else could one explain why conservative African Americans who, say, oppose "affirmative action" policies and practices are vilified and regarded as traitors by the political left? To Alice's point, this is not simply about "parties." Republicans certainly have their share of liberals progressives. God bless, FrDD Fr. Deacon Daniel: Your point is not at all lacking in merit and is fair. My point is that there are more than just a few conservatives who vilify those who do not agree with them and who treat those who do not follow their ideology as being "either duped or a social heretic." I mean no disrespect, but are you allowing your own personal rejection of liberalism (for which I acknowledge that you have a firm grounding in your convictions and which I respect) to block your objectivity on this matter? Unfortunately, American liberalism is hypocritically intolerant. On the other hand, American conservatism is quite intolerant as well-so much so that I find it very difficult to swallow your accusations against liberalism in this matter. I become increasingly convinced that conservatives and liberals are more or less equally guilty in this matter. Sincerely, Ryan
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#322457 - 05/20/09 01:04 PM
Re: Number one supporter of abortions to speak at Notre Dame Comm
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My point is that there are more than just a few conservatives who vilify those who do not agree with them and who treat those who do not follow their ideology as being "either duped or a social heretic." I mean no disrespect, but are you allowing your own personal rejection of liberalism (for which I acknowledge that you have a firm grounding in your convictions and which I respect) to block your objectivity on this matter? Unfortunately, American liberalism is hypocritically intolerant. On the other hand, American conservatism is quite intolerant as well-so much so that I find it very difficult to swallow your accusations against liberalism in this matter. I become increasingly convinced that conservatives and liberals are more or less equally guilty in this matter.
Sincerely,
Ryan Ryan, As always I enjoy your posts. To be sure there is a tendency on the part of many conservatives to vilify the left or to be so one-sided that it is difficult to acknowledge the underlying value of the objectives many of liberals seek (and some conservatives), even if there is strong disagreement as to the means. For my part, I tend to be much more of a conservative at the federal level and slightly (just slightly - mostly on some social safety net and education issues) more progressive at the state level. I believe that the principles of subsidiarity as reflected in our Constitution (and I believe in keeping with Catholic Social Teaching) demand that we use all means to avoid a highly centralized, overreaching and intrusive federal government. Power to the people means local accountability and such a thing is IMPOSSIBLE when Washington holds all the power. God bless, FrDD
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