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#324572 - 06/11/09 06:11 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
[Re: Collin Nunis]
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It is quite possible to have the wedding together with the Divine Liturgy - especially together with the Sunday Liturgy, since the wedding obviously concerns the parish. If one looks at the wedding service, one realizes that originally this was indeed the practice - in fact, the earliest practice was simply to come to church and receive Holy Communion together from the Bishop. we may need a Latin Rite priest, just to show that we're genuinely 100% Catholic. How does that go?
I have no idea - I've never been faced with such a desire. In principle, one would simply invite the guest priest, properly vested, to offer some of the prayers (and be prepared to have something to cope with the potential crisis when he realizes that we do not use "marriage vows" and that the priest, not the couple, are the "ministers of the Sacrament"). Fr. Serge
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#324577 - 06/11/09 07:36 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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Collin, He can certainly concelebrate (maybe your pastor knows of a local Latin cleric who is bi-ritual or otherwise is conversant with the Eastern Churches and would know/understand what was happening?) Many years, Neil (who senses that Collin is telling us that something very special may soon be happening in the life of our young friend and brother  )
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#324579 - 06/11/09 09:07 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
[Re: Collin Nunis]
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Collin,
as Father Serge says, it does happen in the Melkite Church that a wedding is celebrated after the Sunday Divine Liturgy, but they are two separate services.
Latin-rite priests and bishops may concelebrate at the Divine Liturgy. At the Wedding Service they are just another clerical witness.
It is the custom in our rite that the young engaged couple receive communion on the Thursday morning immediately before the wedding. This is usually an intimate celebration with only the very close family or friends being present. It is a prayerful time, which closes a period of fasting and preparation by the couple for the mystery of crowning.
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#324580 - 06/11/09 09:35 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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"I would have every reason to believe that we may need a Latin Rite priest, just to show that we're genuinely 100% Catholic. "
I sang at the wedding of a Ruthenian man and an Irish Catholic woman, a dentist and a doctor respectively. Her mother was a real harridan, who no doubt felt her daughter was slumming because, well, he was only a dentist.
For the life of her, she could not conceive of how we were "real Catholics". Being high powered and well connected, she had arranged for the ceremony to take place in St. Matthews Cathedral in DC, but thankfully the bishop insisted that the canons be followed and that a Ruthenian priest celebrate the Crowning according to the Byzantine rite.
But the mother wasn't giving up. She wanted an organist, and a processional, and she wanted someone to sing Ave Maria (is there a special circle of hell in which Schubert is roasting for that?), and she wanted her daughter to dedicate herself in the Lady Chapel.
Negotiations on par with the Paris Peace Accords ensued. Final outcome: there would be a processional until the couple were halfway down the aisle, at which point the organ would cease, and the Rite of Crowning would begin. At some point--I forget when--they had an Irish tenor sing Ave Maria (good, traditional Irish hymn, that!), then we proceeded to the Divine Liturgy, after which the bride retired to the Lady Chapel to do her thing.
It was the strangest wedding I had ever attended, redeemed only by the fact that it was the Feast of Saints Cosmas and Damien, and the groom's former pastor gave a homily, in the midst of all this wretched excess, on the Unmercenary Physicians and the need to turn away from earthly pleasures to help the poor. Much squirming in the pews.
At that point, another priest, bi-ritual, brought out a large, signed portrait of Pope John Paul II, plus a pair of rosaries that had been blessed by them. It was only at this point, I am sure, that the new Mother-in-Law was convinced (well, maybe) that her new Son-in-Law was "really Catholic" after all.
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#324581 - 06/11/09 09:36 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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Collin, Although one is best to never overlook a priestly uncle, the Redemptorist would also be an excellent choice to invite to concelebrate the Divine Liturgy. Given the history of his order's service in the East, he should be very aware of us and I suspect might be quite honored to do so. There are 5 Redemptorists who were beatified by reason of martyrdom in the service of the Ukrainian or Slovak Byzantine Churches and another whose cause is pending: Blessed Bishop Vasyl (Velychkovsky), CSsR, martyr Blessed Bishop Mykolay Charnetsky, CSsR, martyr Blessed Father Ivan Ziatyk, CSsR, martyr Blessed Father Zynoviy Kovalyk, CSsR, martyr Blessed Father Methodius Dominic (Trcka), CSsR, martyr Servant of God Father Marian Halan, CSsR, martyr Servant of God Danylo Bkhtalovskyi, CSsR Redemptorist MartyrsThe Redemptorist Province of Yorkton in Canada is Ukrainian. His Beatitude, Varkey Cardinal Vithayathil, CSsR, is Major Archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly of the Syro-Malabarese and presiding hierarch of that Church sui iurisThe Eparchs of Ss Peter & Paul in Melbourne of the Ukrainians, Ss Cyril & Methodius in Toronto of the Slovaks, Kosice of the Slovaks, and better than a half-dozen of the Ukrainian Eparchs, Exarchs, and Auxiliaries in Europe are as well. Many years, Neil (No Melkites of whom I'm aware, however)
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#324621 - 06/11/09 05:37 PM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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I've seen a few hybrid weddings, but what you recount unsettles the stomach. "I would have every reason to believe that we may need a Latin Rite priest, just to show that we're genuinely 100% Catholic. "
I sang at the wedding of a Ruthenian man and an Irish Catholic woman, a dentist and a doctor respectively. Her mother was a real harridan, who no doubt felt her daughter was slumming because, well, he was only a dentist.
For the life of her, she could not conceive of how we were "real Catholics". Being high powered and well connected, she had arranged for the ceremony to take place in St. Matthews Cathedral in DC, but thankfully the bishop insisted that the canons be followed and that a Ruthenian priest celebrate the Crowning according to the Byzantine rite.
But the mother wasn't giving up. She wanted an organist, and a processional, and she wanted someone to sing Ave Maria (is there a special circle of hell in which Schubert is roasting for that?), and she wanted her daughter to dedicate herself in the Lady Chapel.
Negotiations on par with the Paris Peace Accords ensued. Final outcome: there would be a processional until the couple were halfway down the aisle, at which point the organ would cease, and the Rite of Crowning would begin. At some point--I forget when--they had an Irish tenor sing Ave Maria (good, traditional Irish hymn, that!), then we proceeded to the Divine Liturgy, after which the bride retired to the Lady Chapel to do her thing.
It was the strangest wedding I had ever attended, redeemed only by the fact that it was the Feast of Saints Cosmas and Damien, and the groom's former pastor gave a homily, in the midst of all this wretched excess, on the Unmercenary Physicians and the need to turn away from earthly pleasures to help the poor. Much squirming in the pews.
At that point, another priest, bi-ritual, brought out a large, signed portrait of Pope John Paul II, plus a pair of rosaries that had been blessed by them. It was only at this point, I am sure, that the new Mother-in-Law was convinced (well, maybe) that her new Son-in-Law was "really Catholic" after all.
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#324645 - 06/11/09 11:13 PM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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t that point, another priest, bi-ritual, brought out a large, signed portrait of Pope John Paul II, For a split second I thought you were telling us that the bi-ritual brought out a large, signed portrait of the BVM! Fr. Serge
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#324650 - 06/12/09 01:20 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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"For a split second I thought you were telling us that the bi-ritual brought out a large, signed portrait of the BVM! "
That probably would have worked better.
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#324659 - 06/12/09 04:59 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
[Re: Collin Nunis]
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Well, I guess it would work this way - get the Latin priest to wear Byzantine vestments. Won't that be a shocker or what? Haha. Sometimes, I wonder which part of "in full communion" they don't get. Unless he's got biritual faculties, wearing the byzantine vestments is actually forbidden. Concelebration isn't... Besides, it's better for the Roman rite's ignorant to see their Roman priest in Roman vestments as a concelebrant.
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#324667 - 06/12/09 06:42 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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Well, I guess it would work this way - get the Latin priest to wear Byzantine vestments. Won't that be a shocker or what? Haha. Sometimes, I wonder which part of "in full communion" they don't get. In reference to Latin Priests using Byzantine vestments I do know that in Lourdes Fr Peter was so surprised at the number of Latin Priests 'borrowing' his lovely little Byzantine Church for celebrations of Mass for Latin Pilgrimage groups and expecting him to allow them to use his vestments that he now has 2 sets of Latin vestments [ including albs] hanging in his Sacristy for them
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#324668 - 06/12/09 06:46 AM
Re: Eucharist at the Wedding
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At that point, another priest, bi-ritual, brought out a large, signed portrait of Pope John Paul II, plus a pair of rosaries that had been blessed by them. AAAAAAAAAAAH the Papal Blessing for the newly married couple - proof that they are 'real' Catholics 
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