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#325203 - 06/18/09 02:37 PM The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed
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According to Italian serious newspapers (link and video ), the Patriarch of the Ethiopian Tewahedo Church H.H. Abune Paulos next Friday will reveal, during the " G8 of Religions" in Rome, the secret of the Ark of the Covenant that is believed to be kept in a church in Ethiopia.
Hope it is not a hoax.

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#325205 - 06/18/09 04:03 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: antv]
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We wait with patient interest.

Fr. Serge

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#325214 - 06/18/09 08:14 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: antv]
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Now this should be interesting. I had thought that the legend states that if anyone looks on the Ark, except for the High Priest, they will be burned alive with a lightning bolt from Heaven? Will it still happen if I watch a video of the ark, or does the person have to be there in person? I'm not questioning if God can strike someone with lightning through the tv. If he can create the entire Universe, he can do that. But I'm just curious.

Tim

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#325238 - 06/19/09 09:36 AM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: tjm199]
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Maybe Indiana Jones can help? cool

On the serious side, I too hope that this is not a hoax. They definitely have an ark in Axum. Whether this is the Ark of the Covenant is another question. I have wondered how they would be able to know what is inside if no one can touch it.

There was a program years ago about other Temple equipment that was transported and left on an island. I know that there are ruins on Elephantine Island in Egypt where it is thought that a Jewish Temple existed, but I think I remember that the documentary mentioned a lake island in Ethiopia.

Mother Alexandra

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#325239 - 06/19/09 10:39 AM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: tjm199]
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Originally Posted By: tjm199
...I had thought that the legend states ...

Beyond legends, the Ark of the Covenant is certainly sacred to Christians and a venerable symbol: in the Loreto Litany of the Latin church, Mary is petitioned as "Ark of the Covenant" (link).

That points the way for Christians. The Ark as God's dwelling among Men is superseded beyond measure by the Incarnation, the Holy Eucharist, and the communion in the Eucharist that is Christ's body, the Church.

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#325241 - 06/19/09 10:50 AM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: ajk]
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The Ethiopians cannot have it!!!! Any one who has seen Raiders of the lost Ark knows that Indiana Jones recovered it!! blush I could not resist saying that.


Edited by johnzonaras (06/19/09 10:54 AM)

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#325247 - 06/19/09 02:44 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: tjm199]
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If the Patriarch is not the High Priest of the Ethiopian Church, who is?

Originally Posted By: tjm199
Now this should be interesting. I had thought that the legend states that if anyone looks on the Ark, except for the High Priest, they will be burned alive ...

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#325250 - 06/19/09 03:15 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: Two Lungs]
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There is a priest who never leaves the Church of the Ark that is supposed to be a decendant of the levites.

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#325251 - 06/19/09 03:47 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: Altar Server]
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That is what I have heard as well. The priest stays there all the time and goes into the church to tend to the Ark once a year. No one else is allowed. I am not sure if the Patriarch is allowed either. He may be, but I'm not sure. But I have also seen or read that the Patriarch usually does not enter the church out of respect.

Tim

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#325266 - 06/19/09 06:56 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: Altar Server]
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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I take it that the priest, not the Church of the Ark, is supposed to be descended from the Levites!

Fr. Serge

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#325270 - 06/19/09 07:17 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Supposedly both, in the sense that the foundation of the structure is supposed to predate Ethiopian christianity.

Supposedly the chapel of the Ark was built by the levites, who then accepted Jesus as the messiah.


Edited by aramis (06/19/09 07:19 PM)

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#325302 - 06/20/09 11:05 AM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: aramis]
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Yesterday (Friday) in a press conference H.H. Patriarch Abuna Pauolos did not explained how the Ark came in Ethiopia but confirmed it is kept in a closed church.
H.H. the Patriarch affirmed he personally saw the Ark, that is in good condition because it was made not by hands of man but it is blessed by the Lord.
He added that he has realized that it is the time to show the Ark to all the world and in a couple of years a museum will be opened for it. This decision still require the approval of the Holy Synod of the Church.
In other articles (always in Italian) I've found, it is written that anyway the Ark will be shown in the Museum, but always veiled.

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#325307 - 06/20/09 12:43 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: antv]
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Curiouser and curiouser. The Patriarch does not seem to offer any explanation of the statement that "it is the time to show the Ark to all the world". But presumably the Patriarch has some reason in mind for this.

Opening a "museum" for the Ark is a highly problematic idea. The Ark of the Covenant was (and still is, assuming that the original, authentic Ark is the one revered in Ethiopia) an artifact of the most profound religious significance, and belongs, not in a museum, but in a church, a place of prayer and devotion. It would not be any more difficult to guard the Ark from profanation or other violations in a church than in a museum.

Unless some sort of transparent veil is complicated, showing something that is "always veiled" does not show it at all. It would be no great challenge to build a box as described in the Bible to be of the same dimensions as the Ark, then veil it and invite people to venerate it! I have no wish to accuse the Ethiopian Church of such chicanery, but it is inevitable that many people will want evidence.

May we expect, at a minimum, photographs of the Ark?

Fr. Serge

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#325384 - 06/21/09 09:07 PM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: antv]
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And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 11

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#325398 - 06/22/09 05:45 AM Re: The Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant to be revealed [Re: Two Lungs]
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Originally Posted By: Two Lungs
If the Patriarch is not the High Priest of the Ethiopian Church, who is?

Originally Posted By: tjm199
Now this should be interesting. I had thought that the legend states that if anyone looks on the Ark, except for the High Priest, they will be burned alive ...




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