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Here's an interesting article about the celibacy struggle.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,758558,00.html

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Fascinating! Thanks. That's the Chornock split in a nutshell (no mention of the similar Toth one about 40 years earlier) but who else sees poor journalism and an anti-Roman bias including in the physical description of Takach? Why not describe Chornock physically as well?

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it's interesting that they point to one million Ruthenians. This probably includes the Ukrainian Greek Catholics as well, since I don't think the jurisdictions had split at the time. But when you consider that on a good day there are perhaps 80,000 Ruthenian Byzantine Catholics in America, the damage done in the celibacy conflicts is apparent.

By the way, although the article gets some of the details wrong, as compared to how Time covers religion today, the article is a model of objectivity and insight.

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I think the jurisdictions split in 1924.

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Fascinating! Thanks. That's the Chornock split in a nutshell (no mention of the similar Toth one about 40 years earlier) but who else sees poor journalism and an anti-Roman bias including in the physical description of Takach? Why not describe Chornock physically as well?


I was a little surprised when they called him "fat and gimlet eyed". That sure as heck wouldn't fly today.

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I was a little surprised when they called him "fat and gimlet eyed". That sure as heck wouldn't fly today.


"Dignified and alert"--would that do the trick? I've seen pictures of him. He was fat and gimlet-eyed. One of the things I like about old-school journalism is its lack of euphemism and circumlocution in the name of political correctness.

As to why Chornock was not described, I suggest that the reporter never met him, and did not have a picture on file. Pre-plane travel, pre-internet. No bias--or rather, from the WASP perspective of the time, both Catholic and Orthodox Slavs were essentially shifty foreigners. You wouldn't let your daughter marry one.


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