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#335532 - 10/22/09 05:47 AM Old rite sluzhebnik
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is there such a thing, and is it obtainable? Do the wonderful people at Erie have one in the works per chance?

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#335535 - 10/22/09 06:33 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Otsheylnik]
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#335567 - 10/22/09 01:45 PM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Pavel Ivanovich]
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Don't know whether an English-language Old Rite "sluzhebnik" is being prepared in Erie, but I do know that the only such book currently available is published in Church-Slavonic in three volumes: one for the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom, the second for the Liturgy of Saint Basil and the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts, and the third for Vespers and Orthros. The prices are not high, but actually ordering and obtaining the books is not necessarily easy. If you can write Russian, you might send a letter to the headquarters of the Russian Old-Ritualist Orthodox Church, asking to purchase these volumes.
May the Angels assist you.

Fr. Serge

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#335579 - 10/22/09 02:45 PM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Thankyou Fr Serge. That is exactly the information I wanted, and I would prefer Slavonic over English.

I shall indeed write to the HQ.

Added question: would the priest from the parish in Sydney be worth a go as well?

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#335637 - 10/23/09 05:41 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Otsheylnik]
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One can but ask. Father Timofei might perhaps have an address in Moscow for the purchase of books.

Fr. Serge

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#336161 - 10/30/09 04:30 PM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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While I am on the subject, my main interest is how much the deacon's part differs in the Old Rite sluzhebnik (if at all).

Can anyone advise (particularly if/ how it differs in the proskomedia)?

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#336165 - 10/30/09 09:00 PM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Otsheylnik]
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Patience, patience. I'm just completing my translation. As soon as it is in print, we can compare this with that to our heart's content. Meanwhile, if you read Church-Slavonic, order a copy of the Divine Liturgy of each variety and compare them with one another.

The Prothesis has a substantial amount of differences.

For the sake of Christ, forgive me.

Fr. Serge

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#336225 - 11/01/09 05:40 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Rejoice and be glad - the Russian Orthodox Old-Ritualist Church expects to have the Tserkovnoe Oko off the press within a month. It's a large, heavy book which is mostly devoted to the Typicon and related matters. Copies in the West are very scarce.

Fr. Serge

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#336251 - 11/01/09 03:21 PM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Very good.....I emailed the metropolia pa russki and did not hear anything back, I will get in touch with Fr Timofei next. if you hear anything else please let me know smile

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#336288 - 11/02/09 12:36 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Otsheylnik]
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Originally Posted By: Otsheylnik
Very good.....I emailed the metropolia pa russki and did not hear anything back, I will get in touch with Fr Timofei next. if you hear anything else please let me know smile


Father Timofei, if he doesn't know, will beable to point you towards Archbishop Sofroni (who is in Australia at Sydney presently). If Fr Timofei can't help - perhaps Fr. Pavel in Melbourne could assist. I also believe he is online??

Cheers,

Miha

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#336297 - 11/02/09 03:35 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Michael78]
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Fr pavel is on the forum? I don't know him, could youm point me to him if possible please?

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#336423 - 11/03/09 10:18 PM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Otsheylnik]
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Hiya.

No he isn't on the forum - I meant to say that I beleve he uses a computer and has an email account - which (trust me) is a rare thing for Old Ritualist clergy smile The fact that he speaks English fluently is rare enough smile

If you would like some contact details - feel free to PM me and I could see what I can obtain and pass them on.

Cheers,

Misha

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#337606 - 11/19/09 02:13 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Michael78]
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The man referenced on this site seem to be able to supply Old Rite texts:

http://blogs.privet.ru/community/drevlepravoslavie/52163706

If one cannot find it on google, go to yandex.ru smile

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#337607 - 11/19/09 05:26 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Otsheylnik]
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Found it on Google - most of the books look interesting.

Fr. Serge

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#337609 - 11/19/09 05:50 AM Re: Old rite sluzhebnik [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Ah my bad grammar makes me misunderstood.

I meant that I resorted to yandex after gooogle failed to provide a source; yandex lead me to the link I posted above.

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