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#335555 - 10/22/09 04:40 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
[Re: StuartK]
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It is very easy to preach when you are not in the middle of the persecution.
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#335569 - 10/22/09 05:50 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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It is, in fact, the best of all possible times to preach.
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#335571 - 10/22/09 05:56 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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To preach but also to live in that reality.
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#335585 - 10/22/09 07:49 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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Different orthodox lay associations asked Patriarch Daniel to stop any dialogue with the Catholic Church because of the "uniatism" .
Edited by Fr.Coryolan (10/22/09 07:49 PM)
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#335587 - 10/22/09 07:52 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
[Re: Fr.Coryolan]
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How you live is a form of preaching.
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#335774 - 10/25/09 11:52 AM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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#335776 - 10/25/09 01:23 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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Sometimes when I read some posts caming from the rich US (or similar lands) it looks like that this or that rite is supported because it is believed to be the more fashion, the more pure, the more aesthetic. People can be "fan" of a rite... This is utterly incomprehensible. Would you care to clarify or elaborate your point?
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#341700 - 01/20/10 07:46 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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The Romanian Orthodox Church asked its priest not to pray with the other christian priests/ministers in the catholic/protestant churches but only to assist.It is also forbidden ( from the orthodox part) for the catholic priests/protestant ministers to pray together with the orthodox clergy in the orthodox churches during this week ecumenical events.Speeches are allowed. http://www.basilica.ro/ro/comunicate/com...a_crestina.html
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#341774 - 01/21/10 11:19 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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The last two paragraphs: According to the mentioned synodal decision, at the Patriarchal Cathedral and other Orthodox Churches from Romania or abroad, the representatives of the other Christian cults will assist at the Orthodox service (Vespers), without liturgical implication. ... Regarding the presence at the ecumenical prayer organized by the other Christian Churches, the Romanian Orthodox clerics will assist to their prayer, without liturgical implication,... It is not used the word forbid, and there is no ask not to pray (together). Only without liturgical implication. No one can forbid a soul to pray. When I enter the Catholic Church from my city, I pray, even if I stay in a corner without a visible implication. This is a strange post, I think. What is the link between the dialogue between Orthodox and Greek-Catholics and this ecumenical event?
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#341820 - 01/22/10 08:05 AM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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How's that again? It is impossible for a celebration of Vespers to have "no liturgical implications".
Fr. Serge
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#341824 - 01/22/10 08:34 AM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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I am guessing that the intended meaning is that there be no liturgical concelebration.
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#378096 - 03/27/12 04:53 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
Sometimes one also has to ask for justice. Since Romania is part of the European Union, the Greek Catholic Church has the right to sue before the EU courts. Also, if the Romanian government tries to "take" property without just comensation, those laws can be overturned by the European Courts.
When Romania joined the Union it agreed to these conditions:
*a stable democracy;
*respects human rights;
*respect for the rule of law;
*a functioning market economy;
*the acceptance of the obligations of membership, including EU law.
If the Romanian Orthodox Church wishes to take on not only the Greek Catholic Church, but the entire EU legal system, I say let them and lets see what happens to it and the Romanian State if they decide to violate the rights of the Romanian Greek Catholic Church.
Fush Bashlomo,
Yuhannon I just thought this would be interesting, now that the EU is suing the Hungarian Nation over its new constitution reaffirming its Christian heritage, defining human life as beginning at conception, and defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I'd love to see the Hungarians and the Romanians take on the entire EU legal system.
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#378099 - 03/27/12 07:09 PM
Re: Romania:greek-catholics and orthodox in a difficult dialogue
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Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
Sometimes one also has to ask for justice. Since Romania is part of the European Union, the Greek Catholic Church has the right to sue before the EU courts. Also, if the Romanian government tries to "take" property without just comensation, those laws can be overturned by the European Courts.
When Romania joined the Union it agreed to these conditions:
*a stable democracy;
*respects human rights;
*respect for the rule of law;
*a functioning market economy;
*the acceptance of the obligations of membership, including EU law.
If the Romanian Orthodox Church wishes to take on not only the Greek Catholic Church, but the entire EU legal system, I say let them and lets see what happens to it and the Romanian State if they decide to violate the rights of the Romanian Greek Catholic Church.
Fush Bashlomo,
Yuhannon I just thought this would be interesting, now that the EU is suing the Hungarian Nation over its new constitution reaffirming its Christian heritage, defining human life as beginning at conception, and defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I'd love to see the Hungarians and the Romanians take on the entire EU legal system. Saints be Praised! Common ground at last! 
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