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#336100 - 10/29/09 03:51 PM
When do you make a metania?
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Registered: 02/12/08
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Loc: VA
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Sundays mornings (not Lent), at what points during the liturgy do you make a metania? What is your personal practice or the practice of your parish?
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#336174 - 10/31/09 08:03 AM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: Hieromonk Ambrose]
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Registered: 04/03/09
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Loc: Eagle River, AK, US
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Whether daily liturgies use zemnoi poklon varies... but I've never seen them on Sundays.
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#336197 - 10/31/09 12:57 PM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: aramis]
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Thank you for your responses. At the back of the Jordanville Prayer Book, there is a chapter titled " How One Should Pray in Church." It includes a section titled "The Sign of the Cross with Bows From the Waist." May I presume that this signifies the little prostration (waist bow touching the ground)? On Sundays, would one substitute a little prostration for the full prostrations that are "prescribed" (or recommended)?
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#336217 - 10/31/09 09:57 PM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: Fr_Kimel]
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Registered: 03/22/06
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Thank you for your responses. On Sundays, would one substitute a little prostration for the full prostrations that are "prescribed" (or recommended)?
Yes. On Saturdays and Sundays. Saturday is the Sabbath, a holy day. Sunday is the day of the Resurrection. Full prostrations are forbidden on both days (by one of the Ecumenical Councils.)
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#336247 - 11/01/09 02:01 PM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: Philippe Gebara]
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A few weeks ago I was speaking to an Antiochian priest and long-time acquaintance. He shared that it had recently been brought to his attention that on Sundays his congregation was doing full prostrations at the Epiclesis. Apparently the congregation, without any instruction from him, started doing this sometime during the past two years. "How could you not know that they were prostrating themselves at the Epiclesis?" I asked. "Because I'm not looking at them during the Anaphora!"
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#336249 - 11/01/09 03:00 PM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: Alice]
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Every Sunday being Pascha, we should stand to greet the Risen Lord.
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#336289 - 11/02/09 12:39 AM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: StuartK]
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In the local Bulgarian parish here in Roanoke, metanias are commonly made in the Divine Liturgy at the following points:
1) Trisagion 2) "Glory to Thee, O Lord, glory to Thee" (before before and after the gospel) 3) "This is my Body" 4) "This is my Blood of the New Testament" 5) "In the fear of the Lord"
Some also make a metania at:
6) "Holy things for the holy"
The Epiclesis is offered quietly, with the congregation singing the "We praise thee"; hence this moment of the consecration is not ritually marked by the congregation.
Are there other moments in the liturgy where a metania or full prostration is commonly offered?
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#336290 - 11/02/09 12:43 AM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: Fr_Kimel]
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A few weeks ago I was speaking to an Antiochian priest and long-time acquaintance. He shared that it had recently been brought to his attention that on Sundays his congregation was doing full prostrations at the Epiclesis. Apparently the congregation, without any instruction from him, started doing this sometime during the past two years. "How could you not know that they were prostrating themselves at the Epiclesis?" I asked. "Because I'm not looking at them during the Anaphora!" AWESOME! Fr. threatened some that if they didn't quit sitting in the very back, all the pews were coming out except for about six rows in the front.  So they would either stand or sit up front. 
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#336293 - 11/02/09 01:51 AM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: Pani Rose]
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Watching the video of the Divine Liturgy HB the Patriarch Gregorios III celebrated in the Basilica of St. Paulo Outside the Walls on a Thursday, I think, in Rome during his first visit to HH the Pope Benedict XVI, on May 2008 (Paschaltide, I think), it seems our Patriarch makes a prostration after epiclesis (about 3'20'': http://www.oltv.tv/id655.html ).
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#336300 - 11/02/09 05:25 AM
Re: When do you make a metania?
[Re: StuartK]
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Every Sunday being Pascha, we should stand to greet the Risen Lord. Yes, we are all aware of that, dear Stuart.  As has been discussed here through the years, ad nauseum, kneeling has been culturally adapted from the Western tradition in many Eastern places of worship in this country as a sign of great reverence, similar to the metanoia. Regards, Alice
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