I have used the search function here but can't find what I need: I am sure this has been covered before, I just can't find it.

How much of the menaion is in the Old Rite Horologion? Is there enough of a "general menaion" for apostles, martyrs, etc to do matins and vespers with it, or not?

Basically I have accumulated a bunch of loose leaf stuff from various sources, and am considering getting the Old Rite Horologion, but two things are holding me back.

Firstly - it is in English, and I prefer Slavonic, but I may on occasion do a readers service for English speakers (such as members of my family).

Secondly - if I will still need to fumble through my folders bulging with lose leaf paper because not enough propers are in the Old Rite Horologion, there isn't much point in getting it...my main motivation in getting a single book is trying to make matins and vespers more "portable" than the two large ring binders I currently have. I am not expecting Apostol readings, etc., but enough Stichera and Irmosi to do what I need to what be good.

If any body could scan the contents of the book it would be great.

if it doesn't meet my needs I plan to buy the Slavonic Velikii Chaslov from Jordanville, and write in the textual variations for the old rite by hand. The ROCOR choirs I have been in seem to get by with just that book outside of the Triodion period.

Stikhera, Canons, etc. are not included. Troparia, kontakia and theotokia are. It actually includes more troparia for fixed feast days than does the Unnabreviated Horologion. The Unnabreviated Horologion contains quite a bit of private devotional material (rules for Communion, Canons, daily prayers, etc.) and that space in the Old Rite Horologion is used instead for more Troparia and Kontakia. It also assumes one will use the Old Orthodox prayerbook for those things rather than reprint them. The Unnabbreviated Horologion actually reprints quite a bit of material from the Jordanville Prayer Book. As with the Prayer Book in regard to style, type, font, presentation, quality of translation, etc. I far prefer the Old Rite Horologion now to the Unabbreviated Horologion.

Thanks Diak. I was expecting that would be the answer, given that a Horologion does not normally contain these things, but I read somewhere that the Old Rite horologion "contains things not in normally in a horologion", so I was just checking.

Actually two canons are included; the Supplicatory Canon to the Mother of God of Theophanes (for Compline and Matins where no other Canon can be found) and the Canon to the Holy Trinity in Tone 6 (for Sunday Midnight Office). Another thing I like about this book is that the "Cell Rule" is indicated when praying outside of a liturgical service in the Church, which can also be used for domestic prayer. And as I previously mentioned, far more troparia, kontakia, theotokia and other propers are included relative to the Jordanville Unabbreviated Horologion. It also contains the Old Rite oddity of "Middle Compline" and many other goodies.

They also publish the Sunday Octoechos which would give you what you need for Sunday services. A bit pricey at $99 but it includes 2 CDs.

If one buys the Erie Sunday Octoechos one is mostly paying for the texts printed with kriuki (znammeny musical notation). This is certainly nice to have, but the version from Erie is not the authentic znammeny retained and used by the Popovtsy. The Erie parish, after all, was Bezpopovtsy for most of its history so that tradition of chanting is entrenched - especially for something like the Octoechos which can easily be used in the absence of a Priest.

Fr. Serge