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#343400 - 02/13/10 02:37 PM Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik
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Hello Fellow Forum Members:

My name is Deborah Burik, brand new to the forum as you can probably tell, and am the great granddaughter of Rev Hanulya and Rev Burik.

I joined the forum hoping to gather from the members as much information, history and pictures(?) as possible regarding my great grandfathers. I know there was a book published by John Slivka and I would love to know where I could purchase a copy of the hardcover book.

Thank you in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.

Regards,

Deborah Burik

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#343443 - 02/13/10 09:03 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Welcome to byzcath. God bless your search!

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#343482 - 02/14/10 08:43 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Pani Rose]
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Deborah,

Welcome to the forum.

The book you are seeking is, I believe, Historical Mirror: Greek Rite Catholics 1884-1963 by Rev. John Slivka. The full text of it is available and readable on-line here. An actual paper copy, last time I saw onr on-line, was running about $175 and, from the description, its condition would be described as 'fair'.

Not knowing what info you may already have, I apologize in advance for any repetiton.

Father Joseph Hanulya, of blessed memory, was particularly prominent in the history of the Greek-Catholic Church and the Carpatho-Rusin community in Cleveland. He pastored Holy Ghost Byzantine Catholic Church there until his retirement in 1953. I believe that he remained there, in residence, until his repose in 1962. (Interestingly, Holy Ghost was founded by your other great-grandfather, Father Emil Burik, of blessed memory). Holy Ghost, regretably, was suppressed in Nov 2009. You can see photos of it at our Directory entry and a history of it here

Exactly when he was first assigned to Holy Ghost is a bit harder to nail down. I've seen him listed as arriving there in either 1908 or 1918. From 1921-1924*, he was at St Gregory the Theologian Greek Catholic Church, 2037 Quail St, Lakewood, OH.

Father Joseph was instrumental in establishment of the Rusin Cultural Garden, erected in 1939. It is one of 20 such gardens dedicated to ethnic groups prominent in Cleveland and if you use the garden as a search term in either Yahoo or Google you will inevitably find mention of him.

There's a biographical entry on him in the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History, which is available on-line. He's also prominently mentioned in the encyclopdia's entry on Byzantine Rite Catholics. The biographical entry provides his dates of birth, marriage, ordination, immigration, and death. It also indicates the village in which he was born and names your great-great grandparents, his wife - your great-grandmother, one of your grandparents, and those who would be your grandaunts and granduncles. He served parishes in PA before his arrival in OH, one being Ss Peter & Paul in Duquesne - another being in Allegheny, possibly also at St Nicholas in McKeesport.

He was very involved in the fight to obtain a Greek Catholic bishop in the US and also in the battle against Rome's imposition of a celibacy requirement for Greek Catholic priests in the US.

He authored more than a dozen books - several of which were texts for use in the parish school. You can find information on some of them here and if you search his name at www.alibris.com , www.abebooks.com , or www.amazon.com , you will find a few of his books available for purchase from used booksellers - one on Rusyn literature, one on Rusyn ritual.

Father Joseph and Matushka Mary are buried at Holy Spirit Byzantine Cemetery in Cleveland.

Father Emil Burik, of blessed memory, was pastor of St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Cleveland from 1906 to 1908.

In 1907, he was present at a meeting to plan a welcoming for Bishop Soter Ortinsky, the first Greek-Catholic bishop sent to the US and in 1908 both he and Father Joseph were signatories to a letter of protest sent to Rome by the Greek-Catholic clergy in the US.

In 1909, he founded Holy Ghost and served there until 1913 when he became the first pastor of the new Ss Peter & Paul Greek-Catholic Church in Erie, PA, where he remained a year.

In 1919, he became pastor of St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Bayonne, NJ, where he remained until 1920 or 1921 and oversaw the construction of a new temple. *From 1921-1924, he was back at Holy Ghost in Cleveland, while Father Joseph was at St Gregory the Theologian in Lakewood.

He reposed in 1943, when his obituary appeared in a Bayonne, NJ, newspaper. Where he was assigned in the 2 decades from 1924 to 1943, I don't know.

Many years,

Neil
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#343489 - 02/14/10 10:39 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Deborah,

In re-reading your post, I see you indicate that you want a hardcover copy of Father Slivka's book. I just checked and see a single copy at amazon - at $175, as I warned

here

Many years,

Neil
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#343513 - 02/14/10 03:16 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Also of interest:

Slivka, Fr. John, "The history of the Greek Rite Catholics in Pannonia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Podkarpatska Rus' 863-1949" (no place of pub., 1974).

Elias

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#343515 - 02/14/10 03:20 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Hieromonk Elias]
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Bless, Father Elias,

Nice to see you!

Yes, there are copies of that text available several places on-line and it's more reasonably priced than the other. I hadn't mentioned it because my sense was that Deborah was looking for info specific to the Carpatho-Rusyns in the US, but she might indeed be seeking to go back further.

Many years,

Neil
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#343518 - 02/14/10 03:26 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Deborah,

You might be interested in the fact that there was another Greek Catholic priest surnamed Burik in the US around the turn of the century - both his first name and where I saw that info escape me at the moment - but his first initial may have been 'A'.

The surname also shows up in parishioner lists from Latin Slovak parishes in Cleveland around the same era.

Also, a Father Augustin or Augustine Burik is referenced as having performed a marriage in the Old Country (what would now be Slovakia) in 1882 (I think). That reference is on one of the Carpatho-Rusyn or Slovak genealogy sites.

Many years,

Neil
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#343534 - 02/14/10 06:20 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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My mother's family lived in Bayonne, NJ and my dad was from Elizabeth, NJ. I suspect that Fr. Burik returned from Cleveland to Bayonne in the early 1920's and remained there until his death. My grandfather spoke often of him as did my father, who spoke of him in connection with Fr. Orestes Koman of Elizabeth and their roles in the on-going attempts to persuade the Vatican to reconsider 'ea semper' and 'cum data fuerit' and within the GCU at that time. That leads me to believe that he was the pastor in Bayonne during the period of my parents' youth and young adulthood - years that were quite tumultuous in both parishes. I will check with my uncle to see if he can recall. Hope this helps.

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#343572 - 02/15/10 03:36 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: DMD]
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Deborah,

My friend, DMD, and I had another discussion about this topic and he mentioned Father Lawrence Barriger's books, Good Victory and Glory to Jesus Christ, which are histories of the coming to existence of the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Diocese (ACROD - Johnstown). Both are readily available for purchase from any of several on-line sites and often reasonably priced.

Although I don't know that there are references to either of your great-grandfathers by name there, they might well be worth you reading for background as to the struggles in which they were involved over the celibacy issue.

Many years,

Neil
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#343614 - 02/15/10 03:21 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Deborah,

Do you know of/have contacted Margaret Benyo-Burik? She lives in Lakewood, Ohio and is Nicholas Benyo's (the choir director's) daughter. She may have some good insights into the lives of your family members!? I am only 22, and belong to St. Mary's in Cleveland now, but my whole extended family, the Batcha's went through Holy Ghost.

Michael

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#343632 - 02/15/10 08:26 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Thank you for the news that Fr. John Slivka's "Historical Mirror..." is available on-line and searchable (!). Fr. John was the last married priest ordained (1926) by Bishop Takach before the onset of the Celibacy controversy of the 1920-30s. I think his home parish of Jessup PA (Holy Ghost) should erect a memorial to Fr. Slivka, the modern-day Eusebius of the Rusyn Greek Catholic church.

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#343641 - 02/15/10 11:29 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: John Schweich]
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Michael,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for contributing this information.

John,

Would have let you know sooner than this, had I realized you were not aware of it. The search function seems to work pretty well. Pagination between index and text appears to be a bit off in some cases.

Many years,

Neil
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#343757 - 02/17/10 09:22 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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There is an excellent biography of Fr. Hanulya in the "Enclyclopedia of Rusyn History and Culture." Fr. Hanulya wrote a history of the Pittsburgh Exarchate as of the early 1950s. It was never published and all copies seem to have vaporized!

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#344538 - 03/02/10 05:23 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Hi Deborah,
How great to respond to Fr. Hanulya's great-grandaugher. I am also new to the forum especially to make contact with you. I am curator of the newly formed Carpatho-Rusyn Heritage Museum in Parma Oh at the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist center. It is housed in the same space as the Bishop Emil J. Mihalik Byzantine Catholic Cultural Center.

The eparchial cultural museum was started back in the 80's by Susan Mandzak, a member of Holy Ghost Church where your great grandfather was a priest for many years. Susan did a fabulous collection of everything that took place at Holy Ghost. The museum had been closed for quite a few years because Susan ran the museum by herself and as her health failed wound up in a nursing home. Aware of the collection that was up there and feeling a need to preserve these items, the Cleveland Chapter of the Carpatho-Rusyn Society approached Bishop John Kudrick, Bishop of the Eparchy of Parma, in January of 2009 to go through the collections and try to make it presentable for the 40th anniversary in June of 2009.

Many professional volunteers came forward and we now have a magnificent space to share religion and culture. Some of the exhibits featured "Leaders", clerical and lay people. Your great-grandfather was featured along with Fr. Gulyassy. These two priests were remarkable in attending to the needs of the new immigrants in the Cleveland area. I did not know your great grandfather but everyone spoke so highly of him. In preparing the display, I can tell you he was one amazing priest and you should be very proud to be related to him. Neil did a great job of explaining a lot about his history but after going through much of the written information and pictures, there is a place in my heart for Fr. Hanulya that goes way beyond historical facts. I was at the last Liturgy of Holy Ghost in November 2009 (100th anniversary) out of repect for him and what he did for Holy Ghost and its members. I felt I needed to be there.

We have tons of pictures, all the books he wrote, a portrait that was painted by a famous Rusyn artist, Erdeli in 1927 (which is exhibited) and a portrait of family members taken at one of his anniversaries just to name a few.

Our future plans are to do a full exhibit and time line of Holy Ghost. Right now we have a time line of the history of the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist exhibited which is the Mother Church of Ruthenian Greek Catholics in the Midwest at the time of its founding. We have so much more on Holy Ghost because of Susan's great collection.

We tried to contact family members of Fr. Hanulya in the Cleveland and Youngstown areas as special guests for the 40th anniversary but did not get a response. It is exciting to know there is someone out there wanting to know more about and remembering Fr. Hanulya.

I was a member of St. Gregory's in Lakewood for a number of years and the Burik name is very familiar to me. I know there are members who still belong with that name. I can investigate more as to their relationship to Fr. Burik if you like.

Bonnie

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#344552 - 03/03/10 01:52 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: BabaBonnie]
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Bonnie,

Welcome to the forum. It's great to learn more about the museum and I hope that you'll keep us posted as plans progress, as I'm certain that it's of great interest to many of our members.

Many years,

Neil
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#344574 - 03/03/10 11:18 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Fr. Hanulya was on the "short list" of candidates to replace Bishop Takach as ordinary of the Pittsburgh Diocese in the late 1940s. As things turned out, another Cleveland priest, Fr. Daniel Ivancho, got the nod.

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#369695 - 09/28/11 06:38 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Thank you all for your very informative posts. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner, but after I initially posted and didn't see any responses, I thought there wouldn't be any; until I checked back 1 1/2 years later.

My father, Philip Burik, Fr Burik and Fr Hanulya's grandson, is still alive and in fact, I assisted him today in registering so he may ask his own questions and possibly add additional information to the thread.

I do have one specific question for Neal. You mention my great grandfather Fr Burik actually founded Holy Ghost Church, but in all of the official publications and documents re the beginnings of the Church, his name is never mentioned as such. Great grandfather Fr Hanulya of course is mentioned quite frequently.

Thanks again and please keep in touch. My search for information is not over.

Regards,

Debi

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#369703 - 09/28/11 09:54 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Deborah,

Glad to see a post from you. As you can tell, your query prompted quite a bit of interest - there are more than a few amateur historians here. As memory serves, when we didn't see amy response from you, I think I sent you a PM to make you aware of the replies, hoping that you had enabled the function which notifies one by e-mail of PMs - but am guessing that you hadn't done so.

As regards the founding of Holy Ghost, the entry for the parish in "Silver Jubilee 1924-1949: Byzantine Slavonic Rite Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh" reads:

Quote:
Founded October 8, 1909 by a group of fifty families with the Reverend Emil Burik as first pastor.


Of note, Father Hanulya was its pastor at the time of publication and a nice portrait photo of him accompanies the entry.

Likewise, the entry in the 1999 "Byzantine-Ruthenian Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh Directory: Published in Observance of the 75th Anniversary of the Establishment of the Byzantine-Ruthenian Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh" reads:

Quote:
Holy Ghost Byzantine Catholic Church had its beginning in 1909 when Father Emil Burik, with the approval of Bishop Stephen Ortinsky, called the first members of the parish to a meeting on September 14.


I think the source for my original statement about him as the founder of Holy Ghost was an online piece to the history of Cleveland, which I linked earlier. Although I titled the link as referring to St John the Baptist (which is peripherally mentioned in it as Father Emil's parish in 1909), the actual article is about Holy Ghost and says:

Quote:
Before this time, Reverend Emil Burik, who was then pastor of St. John’s Church on Scovill Ave., obtained episcopal permission to meet with prospective parishioners for a new West Side church. On October 8, 1909, Holy ghost Greek Catholic (now called Byzantine Catholic) Church was granted a charter by the state of Ohio.


There are, undoubtedly, myriad other references to both Father Joseph and Emil in the two directories. If you are looking for copies of either, see my recent post to the Books forum here, where I posted links to a few copies that I had seen available on-line. One link is to a copy of the 1949 book, which isn't seen for sale very often.

If you'd like a copy of either of those directory pages, I'll gladly photocopy them and send them off to you. You can PM a mailing address to me.

Many years,

Neil
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#369708 - 09/29/11 12:47 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Thank you very much Neal. My plan is to purchase all of his available on-line books, especially the one signed by him in 1959.

My father will be posting as soon as his registration is cleared. He said there was a piece of the puzzle about his Grandfather Fr Burik's whereabouts before his mother, Martha, was born which you helped solve. Also, I believe you weren't aware of his whereabouts during the early 1920's thru 1943. He founded a parish in Bayonne. My father's recollection is a little fuzzy, but may be able to offer a little more information.

From what I'm gathering, the celibacy issue seemed to be a huge battle fought by my great grandfathers and others during that time, and considering the financial implications to the Vatican, not very winnable. Once the ruling was made by Rome, and Eastern priests could no longer marry, the family profession seemed to change from priest to dentists and doctors. Lol

Btw, sorry about the PM issue. When I tried it, it said I had accepted too many PM's, when actually I've not received any. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to "turn it on" because when I registered, I checked "yes" on the PMs.

Please keep in touch.

Regards,

Debi

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#369709 - 09/29/11 12:55 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Also Neal, I wanted to thank you for that tidbit of information re the village Fr Burik was born. The spelling you used may be the Americanized version(?), but I actually was able to track down a village called Nizne Repase, which I found on an old map. Both surnames Burik and Hanulya were listed there. My father said they were very clannish and you didn't dare marry outside your clan, so it's possible they both came from the same village.

Regards,

Debi

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#369710 - 09/29/11 01:20 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Debi,

Yes, your Dad is correct - Father Emil founded St John the Baptist in Bayonne in about 1921 or so. I made a brief reference to it in the same post where I spoke of being unsure of his whereabouts after that. If you check the posts following that, you'll see one by my good friend, 'DMD', whose family was from Bayonne.

David posted something to the effect that he remembers his father and grandfather (who were also also caught up in the celibacy issues of the time) speaking of Father Emil.

The village name as I gave it probably is an Americanized version (my facility at languages is decidedly limited). I'm certain it was however it was presented wherever I found the information. Glad it helped - researching the somewhat obscure queries that folks sometimes post is high on my list of enjoyable activities.

Regarding PMs, new members aren't able to access the PM function until they've been here for a period or posted several times (it helps us avoid hackers and spammers). During that time, the user gets the message that you mentioned. That lock was taken off your profile probably within a day or so of your initial post.

To activate e-mail notification (or other features) go to the top of this page, click "My Stuff" on the menu bar, then click "My Preferences" in the drop-down menu. A ways down the page, you'll find that one of the options is to receive or not receive e-mail notification of PMs.

Your Dad's account has been fully unlocked already since we were able to verify the legitimacy of his membership from the outset.

Many years,

Neil
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#369729 - 09/29/11 05:12 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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To everyone out there:

My name is Philip Emil Burik. I am a retired educator
living in Long Beach, Calif. I was born in Scranton, Pa.
9/3/34 (77) and have 5 children (3 boys/2 girls). My Mom
was Martha (daughter of Rev. Hanulya) and Dad was the son
of Rev. Burik ( the Bayonne Burik). I believe my Dad's Dad
was related to the "Forest City, Pa. clans Dad". All the
Forest City clan is now deceased. My Dad was a D.D.S. He
died in 75 at the age of 72. My Mom died 9 yrs. ago at the
age of 96. I had 1 brother (Nicholas---a San Francisco M.D.)
who passed away 6 yrs. ago.He left behind a wife, a son and
2 daughters. Rev. Hanulya had 5 children ( my Mom, Alice(who
lived at the H.G. parish house in Cleve.), Mary (from
Youngstown), Mitchell and Joseph. Rev. Burik had 3 children
(my Dad, his brother Paul ( D.D.S.) and sister Ann ( married
to Rev. Jackanich (of Youngstown) who died at 100. All are
deceased.
I went to Scranton 2 yrs. ago to visit the house I was
raised in until I went in the Marine Corp in 53. Our church
(St. John's) across the street is not full-time anymore.I
can remember taking piano lessons as a kid from Rev.
Ladomersky's daughter. Rev. Kostival was the last G.Cath.
priest I remembered.
2 Yrs. ago we visited my Grandpa's Bayonne church. The
parish house is new ---but I can remember running around the
old one at 8 or 9. I can remember everyone clustered around
Grandpa when he died in the upstairs bedroom (we were'nt
allowed to go upstairs to see what was happening).
2 or 3 x a yr. we would drive or take the Pullman to
Cleve. Grandpa. I could'nt wait to ride the bike around the
yard, play Pinocle with my Dad and Grandpa, go see the
Indians play and run aroud the huge parish house.
Since I only came on the scene in 34, my only
recollections are of Bayonne and Cleve. When the G.Cath.
priests started to come here in the 6's,8's,10's, it seems
they were all over the place (from Jersey to Chi.). I knew my
Mom was born in Duquesne---but my Dad never told me where he was
born ( however he spoke Rusyn and Hungarian. He came here at 5.
My cousin Joe ( who also lives in Long Beach) Alice's son
told me yesterday that he has the books written by the Cleve. Grandpa. I want to read them. I was stunned to learn that my
Bayonne Grandpa was in Cleve. before the Cleve. Grandpa! The names of the priests that have been mentioned in the info my
oldest daughter has garnered thus far I'm familiar with because
Mom + Dad knew all of them and talked about them from time to time. It seems like all the G.Cath. clergy who came to the U.S.
to build, raise their families, gather the flocks and quickly
assimilate themselves in this new world, all new each other in
Europe-----kind of a "huge clan"!!!! Slowly, I'm trying to learn
more about those "mystery" yrs. between 1906 and the late 20's.
Being that "Joseph" and "Emil" were my Grandpas---I kinda
have a vested interest in 2 individuals who did all they could to
adore Jesus---to spread his "Word"----and to live a life of love
and compassion.
My e-mail is phil1934@hotmail.com----

good luck to all------Phil Burik

(Mod note: anyone wanting to directly correspond or speak with Phil to share additional information relative to his rightfully famous grandfathers, can PM or e-mail him for contact info. As well, it can always be posted here for the edification of all the amateur historians.)

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#369746 - 09/30/11 04:17 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Phil,

Welcome to the forum. I really enjoyed reading those recollections of your childhood and look forward to hearing whatever else you and Debi might uncover in your research. And, as I said in an earlier post, this place is replete with amateur and would-be historians, who know a lot of minutiae or know from where to ferret it out, and love sharing it.

I'm not a Ruthenian and can't claim to know much of the early Carpatho-Rusyn history here in the US - though I've learned a lot of it over the years, both here and in the course of compiling the online Directory of Eastern & Oriental Catholic Churches that's hosted here. However, it's very clear in reading through parish histories, the histories of Cleveland, and the church documents of the time, that Father Emil and Father Joseph, both of blessed memory, were very involved and influential priests.

Like all the clergy (and laity) of that era, including those who left the Greek Catholic Church for the Russian Metropolia (now the OCA), the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, or the American Carpatho-Russian Archdiocese, they were faced with difficult choices. The decisions made tore some families asunder for decades afterwards, until the healing efforts of Metropolitans Jusdon (Pittsburgh) and Nicholas (Johnstown), both also of blessed memory, gave them the peace to be able to see that all of them were vistims - regardless in which Church they subsequently worshipped.

Many years,

Neil
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#369756 - 09/30/11 08:46 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Philip Emil Burik]
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Vitajte! (Weclome). I collect the histories of Greek Catholic parishes and the Orthodox communities which originated from those communities. I have about 1300 such volumes. Since I am also from Northeastern Pennsylvania, I have a particular interest in the churches there. When Fr. Hanulya celebrated his 50th anniversary-- he was pastor of Holy Ghost in Cleveland at the time--, the commemorative booklet published for the occasion noted that he had authored a history of then Pittsburgh Exarchate, completed in the 1950s. I have inquired and searched high and low without success. Have you ever heard of such a history?

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#369765 - 09/30/11 11:16 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Hi John:

Just read your post and remembered I was actually given two books from Fr Hanulya's other grandson, Joe (Hanulya) Ahern. One is "Rusin Literature", 1941 and the other is a signed copy of "The Eastern Ritual, dated 1950, second supplemental edition. On the opening page is says "Dedicated as a token of gratitude on my Golden Jubilee".

Please let me know if this was what you are searching for.

Regards,

Debi

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#369767 - 09/30/11 11:32 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Hi Neil:

FYI, re your comment "I'm not a Ruthenian...", I just opened the first page of "Rusin Literature" and the first chapter heading states: ""RUSIN" and NOT RUTHENIAN, RUSSIAN or UKRAINIAN".

It appears as though he was very adamant about that distinction.

Regards,

Debi

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#369778 - 10/01/11 08:37 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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There was a commemorative booklet published for the 60th Anniversary of Fr. Hanulya's Ordination (November 10, 1957). It lists his various publications, including: 1955 "Chronicle of the Pittsburgh Byzantine Rite Catholic Exarchate" with the note: "the work is in the hands of the diocesan censor and will shortly be published."

Hmmm. I suspect it was never published. I can send you excerpts for the Ordination anniversay booklet if you'd like.

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#369785 - 10/01/11 12:57 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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That would be great John, as I'm trying to gather as much as possible before they're lost forever.

I'm not sure if that particular book was ever published, too, but I am now in the process of trying to retrieve some of the books given to another relative and will keep you posted if I come up with anything.

Regards,

Debi

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#369813 - 10/02/11 01:07 PM Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Before chiming in, I had to do a little research via discussion with the Forest City, Pa. parish cantor, Mr. Ted Kowalick. I am deacon at Holy Ghost B.C. Church in Jessup, Pa. Our pastor, Msgr. John Sekellick, is also administrator of St. John the Baptist parish in Forest City, Pa. The latter parish had been pastored, many years ago, by Fr. Nicholas Burik, I believe the brother of Fr. Emil Burik. Fr. Nicholas and Pani Vilma had five children, all of whom have now passed on to their eternal reward. When were were first given responsility for Forest City in 2001, three of them were still alive and active in the parish. They all had interesting careers. Of the 3 boys, one was a psychiatrist, one was a dentist, and one was a Gynecologist. The two girls went on to be teachers. The tabernacle on the altar is dedicated to Rev. & Mrs. Nicholas Burik. If I can be of any help in obtaining info, let me know.

In Christ,
Dn. Robert

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#369815 - 10/02/11 03:33 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Dn. Robert:

Thank you very much for the addtional information and any other pieces of the puzzle you may be able to provide in the future.

As I stated earlier, it appears as though once Rome ended married priesthood as a vocation, the extended family made medicine and education it's primary "soup de jour".

Regards,

Debi

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#369819 - 10/02/11 06:14 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Please send me your e-mail and will forward some scanned excerpts. It would be wonderful if a draft of his "History" survived!

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#369823 - 10/02/11 07:20 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Originally Posted By: Deborah Burik
Dn. Robert:

Thank you very much for the addtional information and any other pieces of the puzzle you may be able to provide in the future.

As I stated earlier, it appears as though once Rome ended married priesthood as a vocation, the extended family made medicine and education it's primary "soup de jour".

Regards,

Debi


And now, married priesthood is back. Bishop John of Parma has ordained a few American-born married guys, and all of our Bishops are accepting married priests from the "old country".

Dn Robert

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#369831 - 10/02/11 10:48 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Dn. Robert:

This is wonderful news!

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does Rome have to say about this? Is this with their consent?

It seems as though the only way the Vatican would ever approve of these arrangements is with an ironclad sort of "prenuptual" making certain the heirs receive nothing upon the death of the priest.

This has always been the true issue in the celibacy vs marriage issue. How are the financial interests of the Church being satisfied with these marriages?

Regards,

Debi

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#369835 - 10/03/11 06:23 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Debi,

The issues of possible inheritance were not a major factor in Rome's refusal to allow married clergy to function in the US. (That was really a factor in the long past decision that clergy in the Latin Church would be required to be celibate. Keep in mind that back in the Old Country, married priests continued to common throughout the entire period of upheaval here and through current times.)

The fear of Latin hierarchs that their faithful would be scandalized and that Latin clergy would be disaffected by the presence of married clergy among them were the dominant factors that resulted in Rome's fiats directed at Eastern Catholic clergy in the US.

The original prohibition was directed specifically at the Ruthenians and Ukrainians, but was considered to apply equally to the few other Eastern Churches represented in the US at the time.

For several dacades (back to the 70s) the Melkites sent married men to the Middle East, ordained them and brought them back here to serve, thus bypassing the injunction. As well, the Melkites ordained 3 married men as priests in Canada several decades ago and then brought them back into the US (that caused a stir at the time). Finally, on Christmas Eve in 1996, Bishop John Elya of the Melkites ordained a married man to the priesthood in the US, reasoning that the original edicts had lapsed and not been renewed, that they hadn't applied to the Melkites anyway, and that the then-current Canons seemed to allow it. Rome elected to ignore it and the Melkites have done so ever since.

The Romanians have since also ordained married men in the US and I believe that the Ukrainians have done so, as well. Both of those Churches and the Melkites have also brought married priests from overseas to serve here.

As regards Rome's attitude - who knows.

As Deacon Robert mentioned, Vladyka John has taken the lead on this in the Byzantine Ruthenian Metropolia (which does have a provision in its Particular Law requiring it to obtain permission from Rome to do so). Whether Bishop John has sought and obtained such, I don't know and, if anyone here does, I doubt that they are at liberty to say.

Many years,

Neil

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#369919 - 10/04/11 01:43 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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Originally Posted By: Deborah Burik
FYI, re your comment "I'm not a Ruthenian...", I just opened the first page of "Rusin Literature" and the first chapter heading states: ""RUSIN" and NOT RUTHENIAN, RUSSIAN or UKRAINIAN".

It appears as though he was very adamant about that distinction.


Debi,

LOL. True enough. But, in Father's time, to be Ruthenian was to be Rusin. These days, there are enough non-Rusins among the Ruthenian faithful that the same can't necessarily be said - thus, my choice of terms biggrin

Many years,

Neil
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#370034 - 10/06/11 10:00 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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^ While I am not an expert, I do not think that the popular American Rusyn publications of the first half of the twentieth century such as the GCU Messenger, the Americansky Rusky Vistnyk and the works of writers like Michael Roman, Fr. Orestes Koman, Fr. John Yurcisin (both in his GCU days and his ACROD days) and Fr. Stephen Varzaly (either in his days as a Greek Catholic priest or a great friend of the Russians later on in his life) etc... used the term "Ruthenian" as a general rule, either in the Rusyn language or in English. The term was always used by Rome to differentiate the Rusyn Greek Catholics from the Ukrainian Greek Catholics and is muddled in the 'ethnic'/national identity issues faced by Carpatho-Russians/Rusyns/Rusins....over the years.

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#370097 - 10/07/11 10:44 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: DMD]
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^ While I am not an expert, I do not think that the popular American Rusyn publications of the first half of the twentieth century such as the GCU Messenger, the Americansky Rusky Vistnyk and the works of writers like Michael Roman, Fr. Orestes Koman, Fr. John Yurcisin (both in his GCU days and his ACROD days) and Fr. Stephen Varzaly (either in his days as a Greek Catholic priest or a great friend of the Russians later on in his life) etc... used the term "Ruthenian" as a general rule, either in the Rusyn language or in English. The term was always used by Rome to differentiate the Rusyn Greek Catholics from the Ukrainian Greek Catholics and is muddled in the 'ethnic'/national identity issues faced by Carpatho-Russians/Rusyns/Rusins....over the years.


To add further to the confusion, the liturgical publication known as the "Ruthenian Rescension" is considered to reflect the traditional liturgical usages of both the Carpatho-Rusyns, and the Ukrainians of Halych. For that purpose, "Ruthenian"= "Rusyn" and "Galician".

Dn Robert

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#370098 - 10/07/11 10:58 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deacon Robert Behrens]
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^ Indeed, that terminology was the cause of the second set of problems Rome faced with her American Greek Catholics (the first being the St. Alexis and Arch. Ireland toe to toe) when they sent one Bishop to serve both communities, Bishop Soter Ortynsky of blessed memory - the Bishop who consecrated my own Church, St. Michael's of Binghamton - Orthodox since 1937 or so....

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#371473 - 11/11/11 02:13 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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I amso proud to have know Fr.Hanulya...my mother cooked and cleaned the rectory. Elizabeth Kassimer. My twin brother and I ,Michael and Barbara Kassimer will always cherish Holy Ghost church. The memories are there. I am trying to find out things about the church and people. The picture of Father in the 1959 StNicholis class from school, who are the other two priests sitting there? If anyone knows .thank you

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#373994 - 01/09/12 10:20 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Originally Posted By: Irish Melkite
Deborah,

Welcome to the forum.

The book you are seeking is, I believe, Historical Mirror: Greek Rite Catholics 1884-1963 by Rev. John Slivka. The full text of it is available and readable on-line here. An actual paper copy, last time I saw onr on-line, was running about $175 and, from the description, its condition would be described as 'fair'.

Not knowing what info you may already have, I apologize in advance for any repetiton.

Father Joseph Hanulya, of blessed memory, was particularly prominent in the history of the Greek-Catholic Church and the Carpatho-Rusin community in Cleveland. He pastored Holy Ghost Byzantine Catholic Church there until his retirement in 1953. I believe that he remained there, in residence, until his repose in 1962. (Interestingly, Holy Ghost was founded by your other great-grandfather, Father Emil Burik, of blessed memory). Holy Ghost, regretably, was suppressed in Nov 2009. You can see photos of it at our Directory entry and a history of it here

Exactly when he was first assigned to Holy Ghost is a bit harder to nail down. I've seen him listed as arriving there in either 1908 or 1918. From 1921-1924*, he was at St Gregory the Theologian Greek Catholic Church, 2037 Quail St, Lakewood, OH.

Father Joseph was instrumental in establishment of the Rusin Cultural Garden, erected in 1939. It is one of 20 such gardens dedicated to ethnic groups prominent in Cleveland and if you use the garden as a search term in either Yahoo or Google you will inevitably find mention of him.

There's a biographical entry on him in the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History, which is available on-line. He's also prominently mentioned in the encyclopdia's entry on Byzantine Rite Catholics. The biographical entry provides his dates of birth, marriage, ordination, immigration, and death. It also indicates the village in which he was born and names your great-great grandparents, his wife - your great-grandmother, one of your grandparents, and those who would be your grandaunts and granduncles. He served parishes in PA before his arrival in OH, one being Ss Peter & Paul in Duquesne - another being in Allegheny, possibly also at St Nicholas in McKeesport.

He was very involved in the fight to obtain a Greek Catholic bishop in the US and also in the battle against Rome's imposition of a celibacy requirement for Greek Catholic priests in the US.

He authored more than a dozen books - several of which were texts for use in the parish school. You can find information on some of them here and if you search his name at www.alibris.com , www.abebooks.com , or www.amazon.com , you will find a few of his books available for purchase from used booksellers - one on Rusyn literature, one on Rusyn ritual.

Father Joseph and Matushka Mary are buried at Holy Spirit Byzantine Cemetery in Cleveland.

Father Emil Burik, of blessed memory, was pastor of St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Cleveland from 1906 to 1908.

In 1907, he was present at a meeting to plan a welcoming for Bishop Soter Ortinsky, the first Greek-Catholic bishop sent to the US and in 1908 both he and Father Joseph were signatories to a letter of protest sent to Rome by the Greek-Catholic clergy in the US.

In 1909, he founded Holy Ghost and served there until 1913 when he became the first pastor of the new Ss Peter & Paul Greek-Catholic Church in Erie, PA, where he remained a year.

In 1919, he became pastor of St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Bayonne, NJ, where he remained until 1920 or 1921 and oversaw the construction of a new temple. *From 1921-1924, he was back at Holy Ghost in Cleveland, while Father Joseph was at St Gregory the Theologian in Lakewood.

He reposed in 1943, when his obituary appeared in a Bayonne, NJ, newspaper. Where he was assigned in the 2 decades from 1924 to 1943, I don't know.

Many years,

Neil


Hi, Neil....

Please forgive my using your fine post to introduce myself. I am brand-spanking-new to the Forum and hope I am able to learn much concerning my own roots in the Bayonne Community.

The reason I chose your post was because of the coincidence of working on my family's relationship with St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Bayonne. May great-grand-father, Andrew Zsidisin was a pillar of that Church community as cited in his obituary in 1941. His daughter married Michael Sim, whose son---Michael-- was my father. But the only reason I am taking you for this brisk walk down Memory Lane is that I have a 1st Communion picture----probably of my Aunt Olga---- about 1932-ish--- with the entire 1st Communion class standing on the steps in front of St John's. If someone could coach an old man who is technologically challenged, I would love to post the picture here as a "welcome gift" of sorts?
Help? wink
Best Wishes,

Bruce

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#373995 - 01/09/12 10:33 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Philip Emil Burik]
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Originally Posted By: Philip Emil Burik
To everyone out there:

My name is Philip Emil Burik. I am a retired educator
living in Long Beach, Calif. I was born in Scranton, Pa.
9/3/34 (77) and have 5 children (3 boys/2 girls). My Mom
was Martha (daughter of Rev. Hanulya) and Dad was the son
of Rev. Burik ( the Bayonne Burik). I believe my Dad's Dad
was related to the "Forest City, Pa. clans Dad". All the
Forest City clan is now deceased. My Dad was a D.D.S. He
died in 75 at the age of 72. My Mom died 9 yrs. ago at the
age of 96. I had 1 brother (Nicholas---a San Francisco M.D.)
who passed away 6 yrs. ago.He left behind a wife, a son and
2 daughters. Rev. Hanulya had 5 children ( my Mom, Alice(who
lived at the H.G. parish house in Cleve.), Mary (from
Youngstown), Mitchell and Joseph. Rev. Burik had 3 children
(my Dad, his brother Paul ( D.D.S.) and sister Ann ( married
to Rev. Jackanich (of Youngstown) who died at 100. All are
deceased.
I went to Scranton 2 yrs. ago to visit the house I was
raised in until I went in the Marine Corp in 53. Our church
(St. John's) across the street is not full-time anymore.I
can remember taking piano lessons as a kid from Rev.
Ladomersky's daughter. Rev. Kostival was the last G.Cath.
priest I remembered.
2 Yrs. ago we visited my Grandpa's Bayonne church. The
parish house is new ---but I can remember running around the
old one at 8 or 9. I can remember everyone clustered around
Grandpa when he died in the upstairs bedroom (we were'nt
allowed to go upstairs to see what was happening).
2 or 3 x a yr. we would drive or take the Pullman to
Cleve. Grandpa. I could'nt wait to ride the bike around the
yard, play Pinocle with my Dad and Grandpa, go see the
Indians play and run aroud the huge parish house.
Since I only came on the scene in 34, my only
recollections are of Bayonne and Cleve. When the G.Cath.
priests started to come here in the 6's,8's,10's, it seems
they were all over the place (from Jersey to Chi.). I knew my
Mom was born in Duquesne---but my Dad never told me where he was
born ( however he spoke Rusyn and Hungarian. He came here at 5.
My cousin Joe ( who also lives in Long Beach) Alice's son
told me yesterday that he has the books written by the Cleve. Grandpa. I want to read them. I was stunned to learn that my
Bayonne Grandpa was in Cleve. before the Cleve. Grandpa! The names of the priests that have been mentioned in the info my
oldest daughter has garnered thus far I'm familiar with because
Mom + Dad knew all of them and talked about them from time to time. It seems like all the G.Cath. clergy who came to the U.S.
to build, raise their families, gather the flocks and quickly
assimilate themselves in this new world, all new each other in
Europe-----kind of a "huge clan"!!!! Slowly, I'm trying to learn
more about those "mystery" yrs. between 1906 and the late 20's.
Being that "Joseph" and "Emil" were my Grandpas---I kinda
have a vested interest in 2 individuals who did all they could to
adore Jesus---to spread his "Word"----and to live a life of love
and compassion.
My e-mail is phil1934@hotmail.com----

good luck to all------Phil Burik

(Mod note: anyone wanting to directly correspond or speak with Phil to share additional information relative to his rightfully famous grandfathers, can PM or e-mail him for contact info. As well, it can always be posted here for the edification of all the amateur historians.)


Hi, Phil......

I'm working on my Bayonne roots as well and would not mind sharing some of the results I have put together as far as resources go. Bayonne, itself, is a bit of a hard nut to crack, but the Reference librarian, Ted, over at the Newark library is also a genealogist and made a few suggestions. One was that the Jersey City Library seems to be the "go to" place for genealogists as were as curiousity seekers. He also reminded me that for the period of time I am currently working (pre-1930)its best to go to State Archives in Trenton. Ted specifically mentioned "State Archives" as the State Vital Records Dept." charges a hefty fee for copies a person can get from the Archives for much less.

BTW: The Bayonne Website has a fun bit attached to it. An individual left his collection of picture postcards of Bayonne to the Historical Society. It was quite a treat to see the Bayonne of decades ago. FWIW.

Best Wishes,

Bruce

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#373996 - 01/09/12 10:37 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Deborah Burik]
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#374000 - 01/09/12 12:42 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Bruce W Sims]
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Dear Bruce: Since you are a 'newbie' here, I can't send you a private message. I suspect you knew my mom's family from Bayonne, the Dzubacks - Joseph and Maria. My mom was Mary and my aunts were Susan, Anne and Anastasia(Nancy). Only my uncle Joseph is still living. Nancy was the youngest and might have been in your communion class? They left during the 'borba' when the church split in the late 1930's and founded St. Mary's Orthodox Church on W. 30th Street.

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#374005 - 01/09/12 04:44 PM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: DMD]
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Much thanks...... I had not heard about the Church splitting but such things are not unknown in these traditions, yes? :(

I went ahead and tried to post the picture but to no avail.

Perhaps, in a few weeks, we can PM or maybe start a new thread focusing only on the B C Church in Bayonne. In the meantime I'll take a swing at trying to post the picture over in the Gallery.

Gee.... putting pictures in a Picture Gallery!!
Whooda Thought!! :crazy:

Best Wishes,

Bruce

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#374030 - 01/10/12 05:09 AM Re: Rev Joseph P Hanulya and Rev Emil I Burik [Re: Bruce W Sims]
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Bruce,

Welcome to the forum. I see you succeeded in posting successfully to the Photo Gallery - congratulations on that (I can identify with your amazement at accomplishing new things with technology, being a few years older than you biggrin ).

Hopefully, you'll enjoy your time here. Questions? Just ask, we have any number of folk here with knowledge and expertise - as well as all matter of opinions - on all manner of things, useful and arcane. And we're always happy to share that knowledge and expertise and, certainly, those opinions, asked or not biggrin

Many years,

Neil
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