My friend and I enjoy watching old clips of "What's My Line" on youtube and I happened across this clip of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen on the show. I just thought it was neat and something to share. I think what I enjoyed most, is the attitude of the other people on the show and in the audience towards him.
Thanks for posting that, I haven't seen it in a long time. It was and remains a classic of an enjoyable time period in television history. As you noted, the reaction of both the panelists and audience were indicative of the respect in which Bishop Sheen was held.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Very nice. It was good to see that at one time pious Roman Catholics reverenced the priesthood by kissing the hand of the bishop, just as Orthodox Christians do today with their own bishops and priests.
Thanks for posting that, I haven't seen it in a long time. It was and remains a classic of an enjoyable time period in television history. As you noted, the reaction of both the panelists and audience were indicative of the respect in which Bishop Sheen was held.
Many years,
Neil
Yes, I agree, it was very nice, and the people were so much more pleasant then! It brought back my memories of watching tv as a little girl, and how nice tv was. There was absolutely no fear at all about leaving your children infront of the set.
You just sense how much nicer society was then by watching them in this clip... We have become so ugly (actions, words, preoccupations) disrespectful and uncivil as a society since...
A question...Archbishop Sheen was referred to as 'Your Excellency'...Is this the proper way to address an archbishop in the Roman Catholic tradition. I believe in the Eastern tradition it is 'Your Eminence'.
Many Roman Catholics still reverence the hands of priests and bishops - but almost all of them attend the Traditional Mass. But they're out there. I did it one time to a black priest who only celebrates the Novus Ordo. He had no clue what was going on. So I've stopped for now.
Alice,
"Excellency" or "Grace" is used for bishops. "Grace" is more popular in Britain than it is here in the States. "Eminence" is for cardinals. (And "Your Reverence" for priests - but I think that went out the door about 150 years ago!). LOL.
I was told to show reverence to the episcopacy by kissing bishop's ring, not hand.
I agree, kissing priests' hands is still popular among Traditional Catholics, also altar servers kiss priest's hands during the Mass. But not everywhere, it depends on parish.
"Excellency", let's face it, is a purely secular title (as in "His Excellency the Ambassador" or "His Excellency the Governor") and is quite inappropriate in ecclesiastical use.
Alexis: I'll have to look up where, but it's an archaism. (pre 1630, properly, tho' still used into the 1650's based upon various documents I've read). It also was used by some princes prior to the 1630 papal decree (which explicitly reprobates such use).
It's occasionally used in English for Orthodox archbishops, and for certain Tibetan Lamas.
A question...Archbishop Sheen was referred to as 'Your Excellency'...Is this the proper way to address an archbishop in the Roman Catholic tradition. I believe in the Eastern tradition it is 'Your Eminence'.
This was filmed when Archbishop Sheen was still the Auxiliary Bishop of New York. Therefore, "Your Excellency" was appropriate. Only later (co-incidentally) about the same color TV was finally popularized, did Pope Paul VI transfer the Servant of God to Rochester, NY and give him the titular Archbishopric of Newport, Wales. Then he would have been referred to as "Your Grace."
A question...Archbishop Sheen was referred to as 'Your Excellency'...Is this the proper way to address an archbishop in the Roman Catholic tradition. I believe in the Eastern tradition it is 'Your Eminence'.
This was filmed when Archbishop Sheen was still the Auxiliary Bishop of New York. Therefore, "Your Excellency" was appropriate. Only later (co-incidentally) about the same color TV was finally popularized, did Pope Paul VI transfer the Servant of God to Rochester, NY and give him the titular Archbishopric of Newport, Wales. Then he would have been referred to as "Your Grace."
Before anyone says 'Your Grace' isn't used in the Latin Church in the US, Dr Eric is (I presume) indicating its appropriateness as the title for a bishop of a titular see in the UK (Newport in Wales). However, I would offer one correction - Archbishop Sheen was created Titular Bishop of Newport upon his retirement from the See of Rochester. A bishop of an extant canonical jurisdiction (e.g., Rochester) doesn't hold a titular title concomitantly.
Another point of trivia, I'm fairly certain that he was granted the title of Archbishop ad personam, as Newport was historically a diocese, not an archdiocese. That said, it might have been that 'Your Lordship' would be more appropriate than 'Your Grace', as it is the usage for archbishops in Commonwealth countries, I believe. (In truth, few would be worried about distinguishing forms of address for a titular bishop - that we converse about such here, without batting an eye, says something about us - not sure what, but I bet a mental health professional would have a field day with it - and with us ).
Many years,
Neil
Last edited by Irish Melkite; 03/22/1003:13 AM.
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Archbishops in the Latin Church (at least in English) are referred to as "Your Grace." That's why it would be appropriate to refer to Archbishop Sheen as "Your Grace" after the Titular Archbishopric but as "Your Excellency" when he was Auxiliary of New York City.
Archbishops in the Latin Church (at least in English) are referred to as "Your Grace." That's why it would be appropriate to refer to Archbishop Sheen as "Your Grace" after the Titular Archbishopric but as "Your Excellency" when he was Auxiliary of New York City.
The Official Catholic Directory cites the formal and recognized style of address used in US as Your Excellency for both Archbishops and Bishops of the Latin Church. That has been the case for many decades now and conforms with the usage dictated in all the modern style manuals on my bookshelf.
Contrary to what I posted above, however, the style in (most) Commonwealth nations is Your Grace for an Archbishop and My Lord for a Bishop.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
The Byzantine Forum provides
message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though
discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are
those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the
Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the
www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial,
have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as
a source for official information for any Church. All posts become
property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2024 (Forum 1998-2023). All rights
reserved.
- and with us 
).