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#345518 - 03/18/10 06:13 PM
Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
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Went to it last night and got a good workout. Someone told me it has 72 prostrations, but I'm not sure. I was sweating by the end though and I loved it. Did anyone else attend ?
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#345522 - 03/18/10 06:42 PM
Re: Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
[Re: Lawrence]
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Went to it last night and got a good workout. Someone told me it has 72 prostrations, but I'm not sure. I was sweating by the end though and I loved it. Did anyone else attend ?
Yes! The parish I attended also had the reading of the Life of St Mary of Egypt with Great Canon last night. It was just under 3 hours. Their matushka did all the reading for the Life of St Mary of Egypt, wonderfully done, in 3 or 4 sections, each still quite long. I wanted to thank her afterward for her reading but didn't find her. They had the Great Canon along with Great Compline back during the first week of Great Lent. It is a work out. I can feel it today going up stairs.  Back in Oct. I broke my wrist, which required surgery, and it still swells sometimes. I probably look a little strange holding it above my heart during long Liturgies. I was happy to discover starting back the first week in Great Lent that I could manage to bear weight on it for the repeated prostrations. I was very much reflecting last night on the gratitude I feel for being able to share in these liturgies, which my tiny parish does not have. I'm so fortunate to have this parish which welcomes me on these occasions...
Edited by likethethief (03/18/10 06:43 PM)
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#345580 - 03/19/10 09:28 PM
Re: Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
[Re: Lawrence]
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Went to it last night and got a good workout. Someone told me it has 72 prostrations, but I'm not sure. I was sweating by the end though and I loved it. Did anyone else attend ? There are 250 troparia in the Great Canon of St Andrew of Crete. Allowing for the the troparia that do not have the refrain 'Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me' (i.e. 2 troparia to St Mary of Egypt, the troparion to St Andrew, the troparion on 'Glory... and the theotokion on 'Both now"') that is stil way more than 72 prostrations. Fr David Straut
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#345583 - 03/19/10 11:36 PM
Re: Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
[Re: Fr David Straut]
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We did it in a little over an hour. Can't remember exactly how Father explained it, but he did say there were alot more at one time and that it's been shortened over the centuries.
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#345585 - 03/20/10 01:27 AM
Re: Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
[Re: Lawrence]
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We did it in a little over an hour. Can't remember exactly how Father explained it, but he did say there were alot more at one time and that it's been shortened over the centuries. Well, Lawrence, I think it's better to tell the truth. The truth, in this case, is that there were and still are 250 troparia in the Great Canon of St Andrew of Crete. Let's be honest, for pastoral reasons, because of the weakness of the clergy and the people, the service may be shortened in certain ways. (In my own parish, we did the Great Canon in the service of Small Compline rather than Matins, and so the service was only three hours long instead of the four and a half hours it would have taken in the context of Matins with the First Hour.) In some cases the priest (or even his bishop) may decide upon an even more radical course of action by cutting portions of the Great Canon itself because of the general physical and spiritual weakness of the flock (and, alas, its shepherds). But I think it is best not to pretend that there has been a centuries long process of troparia being cut until we only possess a fraction of them today. They are still there in the Triodion waiting to be prayed by the faithful. Fr David
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#345598 - 03/20/10 10:11 AM
Re: Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
[Re: Fr David Straut]
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There should be 203 prostrations during the Great Canon if they accompany every "Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me" refrain.
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#345699 - 03/22/10 09:10 PM
Re: Canon Of St Andrew Of Crete
[Re: Fr. Deacon Lance]
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Disclaimer: I was simply posting the number of prostrations in a full service, no judgement on those who abbreviate the service for pastoral considerations or those who cannot make prostrations at all was intended.
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