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#345997 - 03/28/10 05:27 PM Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity
Predanije Offline
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Does anyone here know if there has been a study of Ignatian spirituality from an Eastern perspective? I know some argue that the two are incompatible, but I am curious if any Eastern Christians practice Ignatian Prayer on this site, or know of resources that discuss Ignatian prayer from an Eastern approach/perspective. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts.
Thanks!

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#346013 - 03/28/10 10:19 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Predanije]
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There are several Byzantine Jesuits, Archimandrite Robert Taft being foremost. the following Byzantine Jesuits had their email available on their websites. Perhaps they could help.

Fr. Mark Ciccone, SJ: markcicconesj@hotmail.com
Fr. Tom Sable, SJ: sable@scranton.edu
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#346112 - 03/30/10 07:10 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance]
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Slava Isusu Christu!

When I studied Ignatian spirituality at Gonzaga University as a part of a class we talked about this issue. In Eastern spirituality we seek a process of unknowing; for the mind cannot contemplate the Essence of the Trinity--only experience the Energies that proceed from It and which fill the cosmos. We must empty the imagination of all images, to descend into the darkness in which there is the Uncreated Light so that the mind in descending into the heart may receive the Divine Energies of the Holy Spirit and in doing so both body and soul may be deified, transformed; To be transfigured in our totality and through a lifetime of struggle and internal martyrdom become 'gods-by-Grace'--receiving a new baptism "of the Holy Spirit" daily by the shedding of divine and holy tears as His gift to us.

In Ignatian spirituality, as expressed in the Exercises that Inigo or St. Ignatius gave us, the creative use of the imagination used by the Holy Spirit is the focus in the bringing the person not only to see "God in all things", but also to truly be brought to penance leading to on-going conversion, and a foretaste of the Beatific Vision through the process of using our imagination guided by the Holy Spirit.

The two fundamental differences are:

Eastern Spirituality: Uknowing--no use of the human imagination in prayer, Divine Darkness leading to Uncreated Light, No vision of God's Essence in prayer or divine and created forms, the gift of tears as another baptism or a renewal of the baptismal and chrismational energies, prayer used: specifically Jesus Prayer to bring the mind into the Heart and Nous, where we are in constant communion with the Divine Persons of the Trinity.

Ignatian Spirituality: Creativily spiritual use of the imagination in prayer, meditation and contemplation--God uses the imagination to bring us to penance, salvation, and sanctification. One can know the Nature of God and have the Vision of God's Essence, See God in All Things, Grace is created, Both traditions desire to seek a profound spiritual experience.

The Eastern tradition might critique the Ignatian method by saying that these forms created in the imagination are idols. And contrariwise Ignatian method would assert God can indeed use the imagination to bring the person to a deeper more profound awareness of God's presence not only in the created order, but also in the soul.

Are the two methods able to achieve synthesis? Perhaps, but each method of spiritual practice, in order for it to be authentically experienced, needs to be experienced and practiced as they are taught by their living masters and spiritual Fathers or directors. For us to achieve a synthesis on a theoretical level would not only disrespect the integrity of each tradition of prayer, but it would perhaps give us over to prelest or self-deception.

This is only a taste, but I hope it may help.

In Christ our God,


Robert


Edited by Robert Horvath (03/30/10 07:15 PM)

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#346114 - 03/30/10 07:36 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Robert Horvath]
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These journal entries are pertinent:

Bibliography

Maloney, George A. "The gift of tears in the writings of St Ignatius Loyola and the Eastern Fathers." Diakonia 26, no. 1 (1993): 5-13. Catholic Periodical and Literature Index, EBSCOhost (accessed March 30, 2010).

Melloni, Javier. "The Spiritual exercises and the spirituality of the East." Way Supplement 103, (May 2002): 55-65. Catholic Periodical and Literature Index, EBSCOhost (accessed March 30, 2010).

One of the greatest manuals on Eastern Spirituality is Father Tomáš Špidlík, SJ's "The Spirituality of the Christian East: A Systematic Handbook." (Cistercian Studies) (Hardcover). If you get this book you will forever cherish it and never regret it.


Check them out.

In Christ,


Robert


Edited by Robert Horvath (03/30/10 07:49 PM)

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#346135 - 03/31/10 03:21 AM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Robert Horvath]
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Thank you Robert

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#346171 - 03/31/10 04:12 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Predanije]
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Slava Isusu Christu!

I am glad it helped. Also, please contact the priests also that Father Lance recommended to you. Jesuit priests are always good to know; if anyone has created a synthesis they have:)

In Christ God,


Robert

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#346172 - 03/31/10 04:48 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Robert Horvath]
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Also, please contact the priests also that Father Lance recommended to you. Jesuit priests are always good to know; if anyone has created a synthesis they have:)

I agree...I hope I don't damage him in any way by saying this...having studied under and worked beside Fr. Tom Sable SJ...I can say he is a great person to contact...I believe Fr. John Levko, SJ is still at the University of Scranton as well!!! He was a vocation of the Rutheinian BC parish in Bethlehem, PA.

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#346193 - 04/01/10 09:01 AM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Job]
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Originally Posted By: Job
I believe Fr. John Levko, SJ is still at the University of Scranton as well!!! He was a vocation of the Rutheinian BC parish in Bethlehem, PA.


Chris,

He is still listed on their faculty.

Many years,

Neil
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#346421 - 04/07/10 08:31 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Predanije]
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Originally Posted By: Predanije
Does anyone here know if there has been a study of Ignatian spirituality from an Eastern perspective? I know some argue that the two are incompatible, but I am curious if any Eastern Christians practice Ignatian Prayer on this site, or know of resources that discuss Ignatian prayer from an Eastern approach/perspective. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts.
Thanks!

I received an interesting e-mail on this:

Under “Faith and Worship” there is a thread on the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius in the East – St Nicodemos of the Holy Mountain translated it into Greek and published it under a different name (this was later found out and he was criticized for it for a while). However, it is still read on Mt Athos to this day (see St Nicodemos, Paulist Press, Introduction).

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#346425 - 04/07/10 10:18 PM Re: Ignatian Prayer and Eastern Christianity [Re: Administrator]
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You might add that his Unseen Warfare was largely a translation/paraphrase of Lorenzo Scupoli's Spiritual Combat.

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