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Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City #346633 04/12/10 10:38 PM
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When did we stop giving non-geographic names to dioceses and eparchies? Frankly, this is a lot like the corporate logos that go up on sports stadiums these days. What would be wrong with simply calling it the Syrian Catholic Eparchy of Los Angeles?

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Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City #346636 04/12/10 10:49 PM
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I believe it is Rome's way of techincally not assigning two bishops to the same See.


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Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #346638 04/12/10 11:13 PM
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I hope they got all those patron saints to cough up some big money for the naming rights. If they wanted, however, they could simply have called it "The Diocese of the West", following the example of the OCA.

And, while we're at it, the Metropolia should rationalize its eparchial boundaries, which have a gerrymandered look to them.

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: StuartK] #346640 04/12/10 11:56 PM
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Maybe I'm a little off today, but Stuart and I agree again, and twice at that!

Isn't the Syrian Eparchy based out of Newark though?

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Erie Byz] #346667 04/13/10 01:00 PM
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Hmmm . . . Newark, which is no earthly paradise, could certainly do with some deliverance!

Meanwhile, I think - and I may be mistaken - that the first of these oddly named dioceses is the Eparchy of Saint Nicholas in Chicago.

If avoiding the appearance of having more than one bishop in one city was the object of this silly exercise, it has failed. Philadelphia has two Archbishops (Byzantine and Latin); Pittsburgh has an Archbishop (Byzantine) and a bishop (Latin), Toronto has an Archbishop (Latin) and a bishop (Byzantine) - the grand champion, at least in the Western Hemisphere, must be Winnipeg / St Boniface, which has THREE residential Catholic Archbishops: French, Irish, and Byzantine-Ukrainian. Wild.

Fr. Serge

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #346672 04/13/10 03:04 PM
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The metropolitan Cleveland area has 3 bishops - one Roman Catholic in the city, one Byzantine Catholic in the suburb of Parma, and a Ukrainian Catholic in Parma. Not too far away is the city of Canton where there is a Romanian Catholic bishop.
We are truly blessed!

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Polish American] #346673 04/13/10 04:01 PM
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It must make up for your football team. biggrin

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Polish American] #346675 04/13/10 04:57 PM
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Indeed, the ratio of bishops to faithful increases by the day.

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Erie Byz] #346768 04/15/10 10:29 PM
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The exarchate used to be based in Newark; then, as an eparchy, in Union City NJ. Now, it is in Bayonne, NJ.

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: StuartK] #346769 04/15/10 10:34 PM
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Archbishop Joseph Tawil of blessed memory refused the title of his eparchy (Eparchy of Our Lady of the Annunciation) when it was proferred. He insisted on a geographical title and Rome provided one: The Eparchy of Newton for the Melkites in the United States of America.
In the same vein let's not forget L'vov which, at one time, had three Metropolitan Archbishops: Armenian, Latin (Polish) and Greek Catholic (Ukrainian). I believe that the latter two survive.

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #346777 04/15/10 11:22 PM
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May the Lord continue to bestow his blessings upon his departed servant, the Bishop Joseph!

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: StuartK] #346808 04/16/10 06:04 PM
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Gosh, in the Catholic province of Sydney, the list goes:-

i) Archbishop (Latin)
ii) Archbishop (Maronite - Eparchy of St. Maroun)
iii) Archbishop (Melkite - Eparchy of St. Michael the Archangel)'
iv) Archbishop (Chaldean - Eparchy of St. Thomas the Apostle)

Somebody needs to give them geographical names. Unfortunately, with the Arab population concentrated in one area, the title "Eparchy of Redfern" will be coveted. Other suburbs we can suggest would be "Bankstown", "Guildford", or "Greenacre". :p

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They can play doubles together. Or make a foursome for golf.

Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #350468 07/22/10 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr Serge Keleher
Hmmm . . . Newark, which is no earthly paradise, could certainly do with some deliverance!

Meanwhile, I think - and I may be mistaken - that the first of these oddly named dioceses is the Eparchy of Saint Nicholas in Chicago.

If avoiding the appearance of having more than one bishop in one city was the object of this silly exercise, it has failed. Philadelphia has two Archbishops (Byzantine and Latin); Pittsburgh has an Archbishop (Byzantine) and a bishop (Latin), Toronto has an Archbishop (Latin) and a bishop (Byzantine) - the grand champion, at least in the Western Hemisphere, must be Winnipeg / St Boniface, which has THREE residential Catholic Archbishops: French, Irish, and Byzantine-Ukrainian. Wild.

Fr. Serge


São Paulo, Brazil, has presently 4 Catholic bishops:

- Melkite
- Maronite
- Armenian
- Latin

Curiously, the Melkite Eparchy of Brazil mixed the both options, geographic and patron saint: being in the neighbourhood of "Paraíso", it's called Our Lady of Paradise in São Paulo of the Greek-Melkites.

Why not call a see by the name of a patron saint?

It seems all diocesis has the name of a patron saint and the geographic location, as the Latin Diocese of Rio de Janeiro: Arquidiocesis of St. Sebastian of Rio de Janeiro.

Eis polla eti, Despota Yousif!

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Re: Patronally Titled Jurisdictions - One Bishop, One City [Re: Philippe Gebara] #350492 07/22/10 06:44 PM
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With the good forward looking leadership of our bishops we should soon have one for every priest and one for every two lay members.

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