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#353965 - 10/01/10 04:06 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: griego catolico]
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Is it that their is no veil behind the Royal Doors?

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#353966 - 10/01/10 04:18 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: griego catolico]
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Glory to IC XC!

Are you thinking about the candles or lampadas in front of the icons?

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#353967 - 10/01/10 04:40 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: Fr David Straut]
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Father David bless!!

The iconstas' I've seen have had a hanging vigil light in front of each icon with the exception of the Deacon Doors. There doesn't seem to be a perpetual vigil light near the Royal Doors either.

I thought all the icons on the iconostas were supposed to face toward Christ wherever they were placed, so I have to agree that the Evangelists and the icons on the Deacon Doors are reversed.

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Okay, I'll be first to throw in the towel. What's missing?

Bob

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#353969 - 10/01/10 04:52 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: theophan]
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Dear Bob,

May the Lord bless you!

Yes, I think you're right. When I looked at the iconastasis again, the icons did not appear out of place. Icon lamps are needed.

Fr David

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#353973 - 10/01/10 05:14 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: griego catolico]
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OK, here is the answer, and it was sort of a trick question to begin with: there shouldn't be -as yet- a chapel dedicated to Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

When a person is beatified, commemoration is limited only to those places or religious congregations associated with the blessed. Beatification is equivalent to a "local glorification" in the Orthodox Churches.

In this case, liturgical commemoration of Mother Teresa is limited (as I understand it) to the order she founded, the Missionaries of Charity, and to the dioceses of India.

Only when she is canonized can there be churches and chapels dedicated to her patronage throughout the world.

I am not aware of the Eparchy of Mukachevo having an association with Mother Theresa while she lived, unless there are Byzantine-rite Missionaries of Charity within the eparchy.

Therefore, there shouldn't be a a chapel dedicated to Mother Teresa nor icon of her on the iconostasis until she is canonized.




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#353976 - 10/01/10 05:45 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: griego catolico]
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That's not really true anymore. There are many "Blessed" named Churches worldwide (most especially in the Latin Church).

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#354001 - 10/01/10 10:14 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: Fr David Straut]
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Originally Posted By: Fr David Straut
Yes, I see now that they are Angels rather than Deacons! I don't have as much detail as I'd like in the picture. Are the Evangelists on the Holy Doors also placed incorrectly? I can't see which ones they are, but they also seem to be facing the wrong way.


Bless, Father David,

I just zoomed the image view and I think you are correct. They do appear to be facing away.

Many years,

Neil
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#354127 - 10/03/10 11:18 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: griego catolico]
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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Originally Posted By: griego catolico
OK, here is the answer, and it was sort of a trick question to begin with: there shouldn't be -as yet- a chapel dedicated to Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

When a person is beatified, commemoration is limited only to those places or religious congregations associated with the blessed. Beatification is equivalent to a "local glorification" in the Orthodox Churches.

In this case, liturgical commemoration of Mother Teresa is limited (as I understand it) to the order she founded, the Missionaries of Charity, and to the dioceses of India.

Only when she is canonized can there be churches and chapels dedicated to her patronage throughout the world.

I am not aware of the Eparchy of Mukachevo having an association with Mother Theresa while she lived, unless there are Byzantine-rite Missionaries of Charity within the eparchy.

Therefore, there shouldn't be a a chapel dedicated to Mother Teresa nor icon of her on the iconostasis until she is canonized.





I was just going to ask if she was a canonized saint yet. Thank you for already answering that.

Kyrie eleison,

Manuel

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#354136 - 10/03/10 11:45 PM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: 70x7]
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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Originally Posted By: 70x7
Hi, Manuel!
This is a great topic. Thank you for the exchange.

What would you say if this icon of Saint Elizabeth the New Martyr was in the iconostas? Keep in mind, the colors are not traditional for an monastic, but like Blessed Teresa, that was her unique habit.



I am surprised that others have not picked up something else on the iconostas that is either "different" or out of place. This is quite a lovely iconostas, but this could be fixed very easily. But again, maybe that's the way that particular church wants it.

Ray
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Dear Ray,

I cannot see the Icon of Bl. Mother Teresa as well as this Icon. But I have seen Icons of other Roman Saints and I have to say, personally, there is a difference. I tried to blow it up, but was not sure how. If this Icon is like any of the other Roman Icons I have seen, then there is more than a color issue. But I do not want to say more since I cannot see it close up. If the style and look is similar to what you posted here, then I guess I would not really have a problem. Other than the fact that she is Roman and then you get into the mixing of east and west and that would dissolve into who knows what. I feel that the separate Churches should keep what is distinct about each other to keep the beauty in diversity that is the Christian faith. But what I'm touching on here can be left for another tread that I'm not going to start lol.

Kyrie eleison,

Manuel

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#354183 - 10/10/10 02:49 AM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: griego catolico]
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I noticed that there is also an icon of Mother Teresa behind the altar. Wouldn't an icon of the Theotokos be more appropriate?

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#354188 - 10/10/10 11:21 AM Re: Blessed Mother Teresa on an iconostasis. [Re: Apotheoun]
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Wow! You have great eyes! Of course an icon of the Mother of God (and other depictions) would be more appropriate. That depiction of Mother Teresa probably pre-dates the installation of the iconostas. I am glad that they have a great devotion to her.

Ray
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