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#352863 - 09/10/10 06:25 PM
To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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To Russia With Nuns Budding Religious Community Seeks to Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
Share BY JIM GRAVES, REGISTER CORRESPONDENT 09/09/2010 Father Daniel Maurer distributes Communion at the mission of Most Holy Mother of God Church in Vladivostok, Russia. RAYTOWN, Mo. — Although Christianity can now be freely practiced in Russia, the effects of more than 70 years of communist rule have left a deep wound on the spirituality of Russians. Forty percent of Russians are baptized, yet less than 1% attend church. Drunkenness is a common problem, as is abortion and the abandonment of children. The average Russian woman has seven to eight abortions in her lifetime. The problems are significant, and in some places, the Church has limited resources for re-evangelization. But in the Kansas City, Mo., area a recent development may have far-reaching effects in at least one part of Russia. A new community of sisters has been launched in the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, after receiving the approval of Bishop Robert Finn to receive the canonical status of private association of the faithful. Members of the Sisters in Jesus the Lord, a budding five-member community, may now have the Blessed Sacrament reserved in their Raytown, Mo., convent, publicly wear a habit and use religious names. The establishment of the community is the latest milestone in the 18-year history of the mission of Most Holy Mother of God Church in Vladivostok, Russia. The sisters have already begun visiting the mission and assisting in its apostolates, and plan one day to permanently establish a convent in Vladivostok itself. The Missouri convent’s purpose is to recruit and train sisters for the mission. The far-eastern Russia port city of 600,000, 30 miles from China and less than 100 miles from North Korea, is a major shipping and fishing center and is home to a large Russian naval base. When religion was allowed to flourish again in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Fathers Myron Effing and Daniel Maurer, both Americans, were looking to establish a religious community and learned that there was a need for priests in Vladivostok. They visited the city at the invitation of the diocesan bishop — at that time in Novosibirsk, Siberia, 2,300 miles away — and founded the community of the Canons Regular of Jesus the Lord. They began their ministry at an early 20th-century Polish Gothic church, Most Holy Mother of God, one of the few houses of worship that had not been destroyed (although it had been used for secular purposes for decades). Christianity came to Russia 1,000 years ago, but penetrated the Russian Far East only 180 years ago, said Father Maurer. However, it was virtually wiped out after three generations of Soviet communist rule. Christians — both Orthodox and Catholic — were persecuted, with an estimated 7,000 Catholics in the region martyred. Babies in Need of Affection Fathers Effing and Maurer have not only worked in Vladivostok; they have helped establish 14 parishes throughout the diocese, which is an area larger than the continental United States. Father Effing himself serves as pastor of three parishes which are about a five-hour drive apart. The 69-year-old priest was born and reared in Evansville, Ind., and ordained in 1972. Coming to Vladivostok in 1992 was difficult, he recalled: “The transportation system was broken down, and the stores were empty. As Americans, we’re used to efficiency.” Cell phones and stores that were open 24 hours a day were novelties to the Russians, although today the region is becoming more westernized. Russian society also suffers from problems that plague both East and West, including a pervasive anti-natalist attitude. “Russia suffers from a lack of children,” Father Effing observed. “Many elderly must work because they have no children to support them. We’re in an end state for any country that doesn’t have kids. I always tell people, ‘Have kids; they’re your future. The government is bankrupt. It won’t be able to support you.’” The typical Russian marriage lasts a mere four years, and most children grow up without their biological father in the home. Father Effing continued, “Children are raised by their mothers and grandmothers while the fathers skip out on their responsibilities.” Fortunately, the local government, although burdened with bureaucracy and with widespread corruption, has a good record in respecting religious freedom. The Vladivostok economy has improved with many new construction projects, although the dearth of young people requires importation of foreign labor. The mission regularly welcomes small groups of lay people to volunteer at its apostolates, including their orphanage and hospice ministries. Tessa Kocan of Chicago joined a sister and another laywoman volunteer on a three-month visit last year. She visited several orphanages that were housed in run-down buildings with meager supplies. The staff members, though devoted, were few in number and could offer little attention to individual children. All the children craved attention. Much of her time there was spent holding and feeding the babies. Kocan also visited a hospital, which had similarly appalling conditions, and talked to its patients. Rooms were small and overcrowded, supplies lacking, beds broken and dirty; there were holes in the walls, poor heat and no air conditioning, and patients generally were miserable. “It’s hard to imagine someone surviving long in that environment,” Kocan recalled. The Church had donated hot water heaters to many of these facilities; they would otherwise go without hot water. The mission also supports programs to feed the hungry. And, since the Russian people have a traditional fondness for classical music, they offer classical music programs in the church to attract new visitors in hopes that they will consider returning and become regular parishioners. Charity Overcomes Hatred To fund the mission and charitable programs such as homes for the elderly, scouting programs for fatherless boys and Catholic schools — Father Effing established a mission society based in Modesto, Calif. The society raises its funds from parishes who welcome its speakers, “sister parishes” which “adopt” the mission, grants from foundations, and other fundraising activities. “We were worried about the recession, but we had a good fundraising year in 2009,” reported Vicky Trevillyan, the society’s director. “We raised nearly $1 million.” It is the society’s hope, she added, that the missions will one day become self-supporting as Christianity spreads and the mindset of the Russian people changes. Charity is alien to the thinking of the last few generations of Russians, Father Effing explained: “The communists taught people to hate. Charity was discouraged. So, the establishment and support of charities remains an open possibility.” There is also a need for vocations; the Canons currently have two seminarians, with another four expected to begin their formation. Father Effing concluded, “We’re grateful to all who offer us their prayers and donations, especially from friends in the United States. Without them, we truly could not function.” Jim Graves writes from Newport Beach, California. For additional information about the Vladivostok mission, call (209) 408-0728 or visit www.vladmission.org. Nuns
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#352869 - 09/10/10 07:55 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Of course, drunkenness was a problem when Russia was Orthodox. If the Russian Primary Chronicle is to be believed, one reason St. Volodymir rejected Islam was its prohibition on alcohol, because "drinking is the joy of the Rus'".
Also, while abortions remain common in Russia, I think "seven or eight" is way beyond the "average" for a Russian woman.
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#352893 - 09/11/10 09:32 AM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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We need to be charitable with respect to each other and our Orthodox brothers in Russia who were long suffering under communism. Although we all believe the Church to be Divinely instituted, we have to remember that she is in the hands of humans and all of their fraility. Stories and comments like those expressed in the article only serve to fortify those in the Russian Church who fear the west and any meaningful dialog between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox.
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#352896 - 09/11/10 09:51 AM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Oh Stuart, I have known several Russian women who say that is their form of birth control. The ones I have known, all had TEN Lord have mercy! Even getting past what abortion is, (because I am sure that a heavy dose of rationalizing out of desperation is occuring), to subject your body to that procedure so many times is mind boggling. The article mentions that mentality will change when Christianity takes over, yet throughout the world, even the most heavily Christianized world, the brainwashing (through entertainment) of secularism and non Christian values have permeated a whole generation..(not to be pessimistic but Christian values *worldwide* are fighting, and often losing, to the evil one's powerful hold)
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#352909 - 09/11/10 01:27 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Alice: Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!! The article mentions that mentality will change when Christianity takes over, yet throughout the world, even the most heavily Christianized world, the brainwashing (through entertainment) of secularism and non Christian values have permeated a whole generation..(not to be pessimistic but Christian values *worldwide* are fighting, and often losing, to the evil one's powerful hold) You can say that again. . . . throughout the world, . . . the brainwashing . . . of secularism and non Christian values have permeated a whole generation..(. . . Christian values *worldwide* are fighting, and often losing, to the evil one's powerful hold) emphasis mineIn Christ, Bob
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#353012 - 09/14/10 08:02 AM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Russian Orthodox folks I know would be mighty surprised to discover they were actually Catholics.
I understand the evangelizing efforts by Catholics in Russia not as proselytism on behalf of the Roman Church but as offering unbaptized, non-believing people opportunities to encounter Christ and choose to adhere to him. Podaj, Hospody!
I don't see anything wrong with such people, or anyone else for that matter, becoming Latin Catholics if that's what they want to do.
Competition between religions is a good thing, IMHO - as long as the playing field is even.
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#353024 - 09/14/10 01:58 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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In their about page, I read this Please pray with us about making our Mother Mary's dream of reviving the Faith in her beloved Russia, as well as in the United States and other countries, a reality. New converts given the seed of faith are capable of the great task of starting to build, or in some nations, rebuild the Church. The fledgling Catholic parishes in Russia, where we already have an invitation to work, are eager for us to come. Many countries are ripe for the Gospel. Now is the time. Which church they they talking about rebuilding in Russia? Source - http://www.cjd.cc/aboutus.htm
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#353028 - 09/14/10 04:48 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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I suspect they're talking about the Latin Catholic Church, not that there's anything wrong with that. Like I said, unbaptized people, in Russia and everywhere else, deserve the opportunity to join whatever Church they like. Insisting the Orthodox Church is the only authentic option for them is, IMHO, a big mistake.
If I learned the Orthodox were trying to evangelize unbaptized people trained in systematic atheism in, say, a customatically Catholic country like Cuba, I'd say, "hallelujah; good for them."
Edited by sielos ilgesys (09/14/10 04:51 PM)
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#353036 - 09/14/10 09:22 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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I suspect they're talking about the Latin Catholic Church, not that there's anything wrong with that. Like I said, unbaptized people, in Russia and everywhere else, deserve the opportunity to join whatever Church they like. Insisting the Orthodox Church is the only authentic option for them is, IMHO, a big mistake. So is this post simply wrong? Though I rejoice in the spread of faith in Russia, I am far less enthusiastic about the spread of Latin rite Catholicism in that long-suffering land. When will we finally realize that the Orthodox Church IS the Catholic Church in Russia? (The question of ministering to ex-pat Poles, Lithuanians et al. according to their own rite is quite another matter, as is the situation with Ukrainian Greek Catholics.) Proselytism is never the solution no matter how desperate the situation on the ground - that only makes the proselytism opportunistic! Assuming it is wrong, then what is the actual status of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Russian Federation (i.e. if it is not the "Catholic" Church in Russia)? Also, how do you know they are reaching out only to the unbaptized? I don't see that anywhere.
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#353052 - 09/15/10 01:31 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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I suspect they're talking about the Latin Catholic Church, not that there's anything wrong with that. Like I said, unbaptized people, in Russia and everywhere else, deserve the opportunity to join whatever Church they like. Insisting the Orthodox Church is the only authentic option for them is, IMHO, a big mistake. So is this post simply wrong? Though I rejoice in the spread of faith in Russia, I am far less enthusiastic about the spread of Latin rite Catholicism in that long-suffering land. When will we finally realize that the Orthodox Church IS the Catholic Church in Russia? (The question of ministering to ex-pat Poles, Lithuanians et al. according to their own rite is quite another matter, as is the situation with Ukrainian Greek Catholics.) Proselytism is never the solution no matter how desperate the situation on the ground - that only makes the proselytism opportunistic! Oddly enough, the statement "the Orthodox Church IS the Catholic Church in Russia" is subject to the old syllogism, if A=B, then B=A. Having said that, though, I have to admit I am also "far less enthusiastic about the spread of Latin rite Catholicism" in Russia. The article makes no mention of Orthodox churches functioning in Vladivostok, except to state that Most Holy Mother of God was " one of the few houses of worship that had not been destroyed." It also states that "Christians — both Orthodox and Catholic — were persecuted" under Soviet communist rule, and that "40% of Russians are baptized, yet less than 1% attend church." (Can anyone challenge that last statistic? I'm sure the ROC claims more.) Relations between this RC mission and the ROC--whether good or bad--are simply not mentioned, which makes it difficult to form a judgment. Ideally, they would be working hand-in-hand to some degree. It's always good to hear of missionaries having success in promoting the Gospel, but the silence on this issue is a bit unsettling. Peace, Deacon Richard
Edited by Epiphanius (09/15/10 01:33 PM)
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#353080 - 09/16/10 05:49 AM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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My response to the question "so is this post simply wrong?" is to refer to the slogan of Forum 18, in which is is implied that everyone has: -the right to believe, to worship and witness; -the right to change one's belief or religion (that includes Russian Orthodox who voluntarily and out of conviction choose to join the Latin Church) and -the right to join together and express one's belief.
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#353089 - 09/16/10 09:50 AM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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I am not at all question religious freedom. I was asking if When will we finally realize that the Orthodox Church IS the Catholic Church in Russia? (The question of ministering to ex-pat Poles, Lithuanians et al. according to their own rite is quite another matter, as is the situation with Ukrainian Greek Catholics.) Proselytism is never the solution no matter how desperate the situation on the ground - that only makes the proselytism opportunistic! Is correct or not.
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#353099 - 09/16/10 12:01 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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I won't answer for sielos, and maybe he has a different opinion, but I think Ot'ets' statement is way off the mark. The Orthodox Church isn't the Catholic Church in Russia - the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church in Russia. Good heavens.
And may I add that frankly it sometimes comes off that the people insisting upon what I admittedly consider to be a tribal, simplistic, and outdated view of "Church territory" are insisting upon it because their own Church is being "outdone" in terms of evangelization. It just kind of seems like a sore loser approach. Instead, maybe the answer should be a stronger or more successful evangelization on the part of the Sore Loser Church, which ever that is, according to the situation. Surely I can't be the only one who thinks the view that Catholics can't evangelize in Vladivostok or that Orthodox can't evangelize in Paris is somewhat untenable and unsuited for the modern world, where the reach of every Church seeking to evangelize should, in my opinion, be global.
Alexis
Edited by Logos - Alexis (09/16/10 12:09 PM)
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#353101 - 09/16/10 01:01 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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#353111 - 09/16/10 03:10 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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AMM, Perhaps I am so thoroughly Americanized as to think a free-market approach will best serve both the unevangelized, the quasi-evangelized, and the Churches themselves.  Alexis
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#353118 - 09/16/10 04:58 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Do you think this has the potential to confirm the fears of those already pre-disposed to assume the worst? At the very least, don't you think this presents a confusing message?
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#353122 - 09/16/10 05:35 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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... Proselytism is never the solution no matter how desperate the situation on the ground - that only makes the proselytism opportunistic!
It's important to be clear about what we mean by "proselytism." Most of us in this forum would agree that for RCs to go to Russia and try to induce the Orthodox faithful to convert to Catholicism would be wrong on several counts. However, this can hardly be equated with the offering of services to those in need, even if the need is for Baptism. To say that these needs should go unmet simply because there is no RO priest or volunteers available would seem to be an indication of confused thinking. That said, I would love to see a mission like this become an example of cooperation between the RCC and ROC at the ground level. It's at the ground level that schisms get healed! Peace, Deacon Richard
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#353126 - 09/16/10 08:21 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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What's incorrect is the assertion that the Orthodox Church is the Catholic Church in Russia.
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#353136 - 09/17/10 08:47 AM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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How about the RCC and ROC just keep fighting and let the Pentecostals, Baptists, SDA, Mormons, and JW's come in and evangelize for them? It has been stated more than once in this thread that competition is good. I would assume then the more competition, the better.
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#353148 - 09/17/10 12:00 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Russian Orthodox folks I know would be mighty surprised to discover they were actually Catholics. Correction, the folks in Russia as well as other Orthodox countries ARE actually Catholics. We are the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which lacks nothing before the eyes of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ. I also wonder how the Roman Church would feel about Orthodox missionaries trying to "evangelize" France, Italy, Spain and other post-Christian countries in Europe which "used to be" Roman Catholic. Want to really evangelize? Go to Saudi Arabia.
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#353160 - 09/17/10 07:24 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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No thanks. I need a place to hang my hat.
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#353166 - 09/17/10 08:19 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Correction, the folks in Russia as well as other Orthodox countries ARE actually Catholics. Deacon Borislav, obviously we believe this, but clearly others here do not. It is confusing, because there seem to be conflicting messages about how close they regard us as being to them, but then on the other hand they regard not as a fully catholic church and as a potential competitor in the mission field. It's hard for me not to see that whatever good work is being done, it is not essentially an endeavor of proselytism in a traditionally Orthodox country. I can also find nothing about only reaching out to the unbaptized, despite repeated mention of that here. This all certainly helps me understand why the Moscow Patriarchate is extremely careful in its relations.
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#353170 - 09/17/10 08:55 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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People should follow their conscience, including ones that may go to the mission in Vladivostok. I don't see that anyone has questioned that. I'm not sure I see (or agree) with the rest.
The questions have been:
- Does the Orthodox Church possess the fullness of faith?; i.e. is the catholic church of Russia. The answer has been negative. -Is competition for believers healthy and good?; the answer has been affirmative.
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#353172 - 09/17/10 09:07 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Does the Orthodox Church possess the fullness of faith?; i.e. is the catholic church of Russia. The answer has been negative . In the Balamand Statement, the Catholic Church has affirmed that the Orthodox Church has the fullness of faith, entirely sufficient to provide for the salvation of its adherents (and, for what it is worth, the Orthodox delegates affirmed the same of the Catholic Church. In the Balamand Statement, the Catholic Church also asserted that it would avoid any and all actions that might be interpreted as proselytism, but that it also had a moral obligation to provide for the pastoral needs of its members in Orthodox countries (which would include Russia). As St. Paul refused to plow in another man's field, so it would behoove the Catholic Church to live up to the spirit of the Balamand Statement, and not plow on Russian territory, but to work with and through the Orthodox Church to reach out to the unchurched.
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#353175 - 09/17/10 09:14 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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Does the Orthodox Church possess the fullness of faith?; i.e. is the catholic church of Russia. The answer has been negative . In the Balamand Statement, the Catholic Church has affirmed that the Orthodox Church has the fullness of faith, entirely sufficient to provide for the salvation of its adherents (and, for what it is worth, the Orthodox delegates affirmed the same of the Catholic Church. In the Balamand Statement, the Catholic Church also asserted that it would avoid any and all actions that might be interpreted as proselytism, but that it also had a moral obligation to provide for the pastoral needs of its members in Orthodox countries (which would include Russia). As St. Paul refused to plow in another man's field, so it would behoove the Catholic Church to live up to the spirit of the Balamand Statement, and not plow on Russian territory, but to work with and through the Orthodox Church to reach out to the unchurched. I can't find anything that I would disagree with in your post. I agree wholeheartedly.
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#353178 - 09/17/10 09:42 PM
Re: To Russia With Nuns...Re-Evangelize Vladivostok
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So I think it's clear how people are confused, because they read one thing, but see another.
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