Maybe the the skufia is just the camauro without the fur trim?

Anyway, whether it looks like Santa Clause or not, the media apparently thinks it's funny.

I had expected them to mock tradition, though. What else is new?

Logos Teen

Dear Teen,

All joking aside, I am happy to see His Holiness Benedict XVI using any and all means to keep the Church in step with it's traditions and Tradition.

Let's remember it's the man under the clothes that counts. Viva il Papa!

Bill

Skufias can have fur trim; it is common among Old Rite clergy, and you'll even find such "winter" skufias among New Rite clergy.

So, if it looks like a skufia, and fits like a skufia...

Dave

Here's a photo of an Old Rite skufia with fur trim:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/130/8215/640/patr.jpg

And various photos with Old Rite skufias with what *may* be fur trim, or possibly velvet or another fabric trim:

http://www.rpsc.ru/version/andrian_480x640.jpg

http://www.rpsc.ru/version/andrian_02_480x640.jpg

http://www.sedmitza.ru/imagebase/5842.jpg

Regardless of the skufia trim, they're still cool photos.

Dave

What's a skufia and who is the Elder?

Dear Dr. Eric,
The Elder in the pictures is His Eminence Metropolitan Andrian of Moscow and All Rus, Chief Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Old-Ritualist Church; a skufia is the hat which Metropolitan Andrian is wearing in the pictures.

Metropolitan Andrian fell asleep in the Lord during the summer; his successor, elected and enthroned in October, is Metropolitan Cornelius.

Incognitus

I'm just amazed that you guys know all this stuff!

Byzcath forever impresses me with the depth of knowledge of its participants...down to the minutest skufia!

Gotta like the retro-papal look, though. I was thinking of breaking out my black Italian formal leisure suits and winklepicker shoes just to celebrate!

The late 50's/early 60's is one of my favorite time periods - socially and theologically. It was a time of faithful creativity - and ressourcement! And yes - even the fashions were cool.

BTW, has anyone seen this picture before?

http://www.signumcrucis.net/images/Italy/johnxxiii.jpg

It is the incorrupt remains of Blessed John XXIII. My wife and I visited his relics on pilgrimage a few years ago. Just thought that I would share.

Gordo

Blessed John XXIII, ora pro nobis!

I guess the Pope really doesn't have to look to hard to be reminded of his predecessors, they're still there to remind him of his responsibilities.

Gordo,

Cool picture of the incorruptible Blessed John XXIII.

As you can see, he was buried in his camauro and ermine-lined mozzetta.

Benedict's camauro seems to have a lot of fur trimming; much more than John XXIII or some popes in the pictures, but judging from pictures of St. Pius X, he had a lot too.

They actually reported it on the Today Show, but before explaining what it actually was and when it was last used, the ever-so-lovely Katie Couric said, "It's good to see he has a sense of humour!" :rolleyes:

Logos Teen

Dear Logos Teen,

I thought this would be of some interest to you in this thread.

Papal fashions

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

The Popes were probably the last to wear the fur lined headdress wich was worn by many males in the past. I notice the Abbot of Monte Cassino is shown in photos taken shortly before the destruction of his monastery wearing a black camouro. I also thought that the Pope showed his sense of humour by wearing the camouro when he did just before Christmas. Personally I continue to be impressed with his Pallium and the way he wears it.

Pavel,

The Holy Father has not discontinued his use of the camauro. He wore it during his Wednesday audience on December 28th, i.e. post-Christmas.

Looks like it's here to stay!

Logos Teen

With Roman weather what it is, HH is very wise.

Looking at it and thinking about it, that hat the pope has been wearing really isn't too much different than many of the winter hats we wear here in the winter, ski hats and such.Different material, same idea.