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#354727 - 10/20/10 07:43 AM
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Pope Benedict XVI today announced the names of 24 new Cardinals that he will create on Saturday, November 20, 2010 ( source). Twenty of the new Cardinals are under 80 and will be eligible to a vote in conclave. 1. Archbishop Angelo Amato, S.D.B., 72, Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints; 2. His Beatitude Antonios (Naguib), 75, Coptic Catholic Patriarch of Alexandria (Egypt); 3. Archbishop Robert Sarah, 65, President of the Pontifical Council "Cor Unum"; 4. Archbishop Francesco Monterisi, 76, Archpriest of the Papal Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls; 5. Archbishop Fortunato Baldelli, 75, Major Penitentiary; 6. Archbishop Raymond Leo Burke, 62, Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signature; 7. Archbishop Kurt Koch, 60, President of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity; 8. Archbishop Paolo Sardi, 76, Vice Chamberlain of the Holy Roman Church; 9. Archbishop Mauro Piacenza, 66, Prefect of the Congregation for Clergy; 10. Archbishop Velasio De Paolis, C.S., 75, President of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See; 11. Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, 68, President of the Pontifical Council for Culture; 12. Archbishop Medardo Joseph Mazombwe, 79, Archbishop Emeritus of Lusaka (Zambia); 13. Archbishop Raúl Eduardo Vela Chiriboga, 76, Archbishop Emeritus Quito (Ecuador); 14. Archbishop Laurent Monsengwo Pasinya, 71, Archbishop of Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of the Congo); 15. Archbishop Paolo Romeo, 72, Archbishop of Palermo (Italy); 16. Archbishop Donald William Wuerl, 69, Archbishop of Washington (United States of America); 17. Archbishop Raymundo Damasceno Assis, 73, Archbishop of Aparecida (Brazil); 18. Archbishop Kazimierz Nycz, 60, Archbishop of Warsaw (Poland); 19. Archbishop Albert Malcolm Ranjith Patabendige Don, 62, Archbishop of Colombo (Sri Lanka); 20. Archbishop Reinhard Marx, 57, Archbishop of Munich and Freising (Germany). Four of the new Cardinals are over the age of 80 and will not be eligible to vote in a conclave. They may be considered "honorary" appointments: 1. Archbishop José Manuel Estepa Llaurens, 84, Military Ordinary Emeritus (Spain); 2. Bishop Elio Sgreccia, 82, former President of the Pontifical Academy for Life (Italy); 3. Monsignor Walter Brandmüller, 81, former President of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences (Germany); 4. Monsignor Domenico Bartolucci, 93, former Maestro and Director of the Pontifical Sistine Chapel Choir (Italy). Please pray for the new Cardinals.
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#354728 - 10/20/10 07:51 AM
Re: New Cardinals
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Of the twenty new Cardinals under 80, eight are Italians, two are Americans (Archbishop Donald Wuerl and Archbishop Raymund Burke), and one each comes from Egypt, Guinea, Switzerland, Zambia, Ecuador, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Brazil, Poland, Sri Lanka and Germany. It is interesting to note the appointment of His Beatitude Antonios (Naguib), Patriarch of the Coptic Catholic Church of Alexandria. He is currently serving as Relator General of the Special Assembly of the Synod of Bishops for the Middle East ( watch interview). I know that not everyone thinks that Eastern Catholic Patriarchs should accept appointment as Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church. However, Patriarch Antonios is following in the footsteps of his predecessors, Patriarch Stephanos I (1958-1986) and Patriarch Stephanos II (1986-2006). Ad multos annos!
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#354733 - 10/20/10 09:30 AM
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-- Coptic Patriarch Antonios Naguib of Alexandria, Egypt, 75. (DOB 3/7/1935)List of cardinal-designates named by Pope Benedict XVI VATICAN CITY -- Here is the list of the 24 cardinals-designate, in the order in which Pope Benedict XVI announced them Oct. 20: cardinal-designates
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#354746 - 10/20/10 10:51 AM
Re: New Cardinals
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I'm mildly surprised Archbishop Dolan of NYC is not included.
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#354748 - 10/20/10 11:49 AM
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Who was the last Orthodox Pope?
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#354752 - 10/20/10 01:39 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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I'm mildly surprised Archbishop Dolan of NYC is not included. The reason given by most commentators is that Cardinal Edward Egan is 78 and therefore still eligible to vote in a conclave. It would be unusual to have to cardinal electors from the same archdiocese at the same time.
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#354755 - 10/20/10 02:58 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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Being traditionally headed by a Cardinal, the Archdiocese of New York will eventually have its Archbishop elevated to the cardinalate, after 2 years when Cardinal Egan, the Archbishop Emeritus, reaches the age of 80.
Archbishop Dolan is relatively still young at 60.
Amado
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#354756 - 10/20/10 03:06 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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A further clarification:
Although cardinals at the age of 80 and over are not eligible to vote in a conclave, the rules do not exclude them from being considered and voted upon as the next Pope.
Add these 4 over-80 cardinal-designates to the 77 over-80 members of the current College of Cardinals.
Amado
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#354758 - 10/20/10 03:30 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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A further clarification:
Although cardinals at the age of 80 and over are not eligible to vote in a conclave, the rules do not exclude them from being considered and voted upon as the next Pope. There is no rule that the next Pope has to be a cardinal or even a bishop. In fact, any baptized Catholic man can be elected pope. Add these 4 over-80 cardinal-designates to the 77 over-80 members of the current College of Cardinals.
Amado Of course they will be. They are only "honorary" in the sense that they will be non-voting. Otherwise all cardinals over 80 are full members of the College of Cardinals.
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#354765 - 10/20/10 04:43 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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Lypher, To answer your question, Pope Benedict XVI. Currently holding the chair of St. Peter. 
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#354767 - 10/20/10 05:45 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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Glory to Jesus Christ! Lypher, To answer your question, Pope Benedict XVI. Currently holding the chair of St. Peter.  I think, just stretching here, that Lypher meant more of who was the last Eastern Pope (as I understand there had been Popes who were not Roman). If I'm wrong Lypher, I apologize for putting words in your mouth. Kyrie eleison, Manuel
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#354771 - 10/20/10 06:31 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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I thought Lypher's question was: who was the last Pope that the Orthodox consider non-schismatic/heretical? Probably the Pope prior to the one that Ecu. Patriarch Michael I (Cerularius) dealt with.
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#354774 - 10/20/10 07:55 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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The Moderator has done a bad job here. He has deleted some relevant posts, including the original post!
The Moderator has also left LYPHER's question in this thread, even though I think it deserves a separate thread of its own.
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#354781 - 10/20/10 10:47 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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Besides the one we have now, as far as I'm concerned, it was John Paul 2.
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#354787 - 10/21/10 01:41 AM
Re: New Cardinals
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I tried splitting the posts but the software did not allow it. Unfortunately, the post cannot be split. You can certainly re-post if your post was lost. It would have been nicer if you asked what happened rather than simply complaining about a bad job being done. Sorry, I became irritated and posted without thinking. I'll try not to do it again.
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#354864 - 10/22/10 07:53 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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Thanks for clearing that point up for me; it makes sense...now what would REALLY have surprised me is if MY name had been on the list of cardinal-designates.
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#354865 - 10/22/10 08:00 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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Just to cover all bases, I thought he was talking about the Pope of ROME. It wouldn't be good to forget about the Coptic Orthodox Pope of Alexandria, Pope Shenouda 3rd.
Several years ago he visited the Dallas/Ft. Worth area - a banquet was held in his honor & he was introduced by the mayor of the suburb where the event was held. The poor man introduced him as "Pope Shenoody of the Coptic Orthodontic Church".
That just beat all. I swear this is true. I'm insufficiently original to have invented it.
I'm eversopleased to have been there for it.
Edited by sielos ilgesys (10/22/10 08:02 PM)
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#354866 - 10/22/10 08:08 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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A further clarification:
Although cardinals at the age of 80 and over are not eligible to vote in a conclave, the rules do not exclude them from being considered and voted upon as the next Pope. There is no rule that the next Pope has to be a cardinal or even a bishop. In fact, any baptized Catholic man can be elected pope. Add these 4 over-80 cardinal-designates to the 77 over-80 members of the current College of Cardinals.
Amado Of course they will be. They are only "honorary" in the sense that they will be non-voting. Otherwise all cardinals over 80 are full members of the College of Cardinals. (1) We have no disagreement on this. My point though was that there are no rules precluding one of the 80 and over cardinals to be elected as the next Pope. Can you please cite the source of your quoted statement: ". . . any baptized Catholic man can be elected pope"? Should we not qualify that Catholic man to be at least 18 years old? (2) Electing the next Pope is just one of the functions of the College of Cardinals, although it is, visibly, its most important function. Thus, although the 80 and over cardinals do not take part in the conclave, they help run the Catholic Church during the interregnum through the various congregations they must attend. In more ways than one, the title "Cardinal" is NOT honorary!
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#354868 - 10/22/10 09:00 PM
Re: New Cardinals
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(1) [...] Can you please cite the source of your quoted statement: ". . . any baptized Catholic man can be elected pope"? Should we not qualify that Catholic man to be at least 18 years old? I can't cite one particular source, because it is hard to prove a negative. The laws of the Church are silent on the requirements or qualifications for papal candidates (cf. CIC cann. 331-335; Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis). In fact, the laws are more concerned with the qualifications of the electors than of the person to be elected. Therefore, it seems the only absolute requirements are those provided by divine law, i.e. that the person should be male and baptized, or at least willing to be baptized. This is because by divine law no one can receive the sacrament of ordination without being male and baptized. All the rest (age, academic qualifications, previous experience etc.) is Church law, not divine law. Of course this is all highly theoretical. I believe the last non-cardinal to be elected pope was Bartolomeo Prignano, Archbishop of Bari, who reigned as Pope Urban VI from 1378 to 1389. In practice, therefore, there is virtually no chance that anyone except a cardinal is going to be elected pope. It is also highly unlikely that anyone over 80 would be elected. I understand the oldest person to be elected pope was 79-year-old Cardinal Emilio Bonaventura Altieri, who reigned as Pope Clement X from 1670 to 1676. In the end, though, it is for the cardinal-electors to assess the suitability of papal candidates, and successive popes have, perhaps wisely, deemed it best not to restrict their choice. (2) Electing the next Pope is just one of the functions of the College of Cardinals, although it is, visibly, its most important function. Thus, although the 80 and over cardinals do not take part in the conclave, they help run the Catholic Church during the interregnum through the various congregations they must attend. In more ways than one, the title "Cardinal" is NOT honorary! Agreed. It is a frequently used, but somewhat misleading description.
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