there is one letter, this letter itself being the sole shred of evidence would not stand in a court, i would think that if so much genocide was going on more would of known of it - jews and the muslim tatars would of written of it and the Lithuanian government know directly of it too since I imagine such extremes would of been economically affected the nobility. unfortunately I could only find biased (catholic and orthodox sites) sources when searching for Leo Sapiah.

i am proud i come from a peasant family btw

Yes, from Twelve Caesars. The crusty old Italian asks to be stood up, so as to die on his feet, and feeling his life slipping away, remarks, "I believe I am becoming a god", showing how seriously he took the inevitable divinization to which his son and heir Titus would subject him.

In a similar vein, Suetonius passes along the story that Claudius was murdered with poisoned mushrooms, and has his heir Nero remarking shortly thereafter that "Surely mushrooms must be the food of the gods, for by eating them Claudius became a god".

No offense taken. Couldn't it be said though that you have bought the anti-Jospahat propaganda lock, stock, and barrel?



Now, who really has their blinders on? It was Litvin who noted that, not me. Apology accepted.



You have yet to answer my questions previously posted about what sources you read that prove that St. Josaphat persecuted Orthodox Christians. As you put it: Please back up your contention with sources that are reliable.

You stated previously:



I don't see how you could want to know what sources I have with a comment like that. It doesn't sound like you are willing to have a dialogue.

I never said I was willing tohave dialog; you were the one trying to make a silk purse out of a sow' ear! All i am attempting to do is to get you to reveal your hand and ask what your best evidence is. Again please clarify your stance the Lithuanian letter. My views are in line with Stuart's; I do not see why you chose me as a target of your comments and not Stuart. His views are, shal;l i say, much more clear cut than mine. I am the first to admit that some saints on either side of the street or both sides of the street had dark sides. I am also the first to admit that I have an Orthodox bias. You seem to believe that this concept of a dark side is not the case at least as far as RCC saints go. i will admit I am basing this on your own comments if I am wrong , I apologize. I have revealed my own views elsewhere:

#357579 - 27/12/10 04:00 PM Re: Just a couple thoughts [Re: theophan]

Some of us remain! Jim, the comments (their dark side and their questionable actions] about saints (recent or long departed) on both sides of the street are useful, in my view, because they might humble the mighty and make us all realize that none of us have clean hands; if so, we might be more charitable with our neighbor!. I know I need to be reminded on occasion!

The following Biblical quotation is at the head of this forum:

"Every one who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted." (Luke 18:14)


I can think of EOC and RCC saints who have followed this quotation to a letter!