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#359741 - 02/08/11 02:48 AM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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So sorry for the long delay, but here's the lyutenitsa recipe. When I looked at it, I realized it's not going to be possible to exactly duplicate the flavor here. The tomatoes and peppers in Bulgaria are simply not comparable to what you get here in the US, and that includes our home-grown and Farmers Market varieties. First, they have a unique variety of red pepper in that part of the world - it's a sweet pepper, but long and thin. I've sometimes seen peppers here that look like the Bulgarian ones, but they never have the same flavor. Even more so for the tomatoes - the flavor there is amazing! Maybe 20 times the flavor of ours, no kidding. Unfortunately, towards the end of my years there, the big agricultural growers started introducing "modern" varieties that looked impressive, but didn't have the flavor of the local varieties.

Anyway, here's the recipe. Also what gives it a very distinctive flavor is the fact that the peppers are roasted over an outdoor wood fire, and the lyutenitsa itself is cooked over the same open fire. When I told people I was going to make it in my apt, they said it wouldn't taste the same, and they were right!

I'll type it up for half the recipe, which should yield about 6-10 cups (half the recipe used to fit into 6-7 jars, but I can't remember if the jars held a cup, or a cup and a half). Measurements for the salt, sugar, and oil are approximate, as people don't generally measure anything. I had to watch and take notes, and approximate the amounts. As you can see, it's pretty simple in terms of ingredients. It's the quality of the tomatoes and the fire-roasted peppers that give it its flavor. The consistency is very thick. People often spread it on bread, and sometimes put some feta type cheese on top. Also, I've seen people throw some into a soup or stew to give it flavor. No reason it couldn't be made whatever consistency one wants - adjust cooking time accordingly.

3 kilos tomatoes (6.6 lbs)
3 kilos red peppers
1/4 to 1/2 cup oil
1-2 Tbs salt
2-4 Tbs sugar

Peel the tomatoes (slip into boiling water for about 30 seconds first). Put through a tomato grinder (blender? food processor?). Roast the peppers over a wood fire. Peel off skins (leave in covered bowl till cool enough to handle and the skins will slip off easily). Open peppers and remove seeds. Put through meat grinder (or suitable American appliance). Cook the tomatoes, uncovered, until volume is reduced by about half. Add the peppers and cook a while longer (always uncovered). Add the oil. When it's getting thick and gloppy, add the salt and sugar. When it's really thick, it's done. At this point, you can use it or can it. Total cooking time outside over a fire was about 1 to 1 1/4 hours. It needs to be stirred frequently at the beginning, and constantly when it's thicker. Some people add other ingredients such as roasted eggplant (also put through the meat grinder) or herbs like parsley.



Edited by Jaya (02/08/11 02:50 AM)
Edit Reason: clarify info

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#359749 - 02/08/11 12:58 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: Jaya]
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the tomatoes - the flavor there is amazing! Maybe 20 times the flavor of ours, no kidding. Unfortunately, towards the end of my years there, the big agricultural growers started introducing "modern" varieties that looked impressive, but didn't have the flavor of the local varieties.


Jaya:

Christ is in our midst!!

What you're describing is what we call "heirloom" tomatoes: varieties no longer readily available because the commercial seed catalogue people don't find them commercially profitable. They can be found and their flavor is so far from the ones' found in the grocery stores that there is no comparison. Ditto for your pepper varieties.

Bob

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#360132 - 02/15/11 09:37 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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Just found this on a blog on the web at http://theitaliandishblog.com

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Pesto Lasagna

makes an 8x8 pan
4-8 servings

note: for this recipe in an 8x8 pan, you can make a smaller size lasagna using only 10 noodles (5 layers with only 2 sheets per layer). You can also make a larger lasagna in this pan, using all the space by having 4 noodles per layer.

note on lasagna noodles: I find that regular lasagna noodles work best with this recipe. That is, lasagna noodles that you cook first. Fresh sheets of pasta, cooked, also work as well. If you are using lasagna noodles which you have cooked, you don't have to use quite as much bechamel sauce. If you are using the "no-boil" lasagna noodles, the noodles must be coated heavily with sauce, so that they cook properly. They tend to absorb a lot of sauce. I don't like them as well, but they will work alright if you want to save some time. Just be sure to wrap the lasagna tightly with foil while cooking.

pasta:

10 - 20 no-cook lasagna noodles or fresh pasta sheets, cooked or regular lasagna noodles, cooked

pesto:

3 ounces of Parmigiano Reggiano cheese, cut into chunks
1-1/2 cups packed fresh basil leaves
1 garlic clove
1/4 cup pine nuts
1/2 cup olive oil

bechamel:

1/4 cup butter
1/4 cup flour
2 cups milk (whole or lowfat)
1 chicken bouillon cube (half, if using Knorr)
1/8 teaspoon grated nutmeg
1/4 teaspoon ground white pepper

1 cup grated Parmesan cheese
3/4 cup grated mozzarella cheese
1 teaspoon dried oregano

Make the pesto:

Place the chunks of Parmigiano cheese into the food processor and process until finely ground. Add the basil, garlic and pine nuts to food processor. Process, using pulses, till finely chopped. With machine running, add the olive oil until pesto is smooth.

Make the bechamel:

In a heavy medium saucepan, melt the butter. Whisk in the flour and stir for a couple of minutes, until the flour is cooked. Add the bouillon cube and allow to dissolve. Whisk. Add about a third of the milk, slowly, and whisk over medium heat. Add the nutmeg and pepper. When the sauce is smooth, add another third of the milk and whisk. When the sauce is smooth again, add the rest of the milk and whisk until smooth. Transfer to a heat proof bowl or Pyrex cup and let cool slightly.

Assemble lasagna:

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.

In an 8x8 pan, place about 1/3 cup of the bechamel to coat the bottom of the pan. Lay first layer of lasagna noodles. Add enough bechamel to coat the noodles. Add some pesto and spread into the bechamel. Add a handful of the grated Parmesan. Continue to layer the noodles, bechamel, pesto and Parmesan until the last layer of noodles. On top of this, just spread the bechamel only, add the rest of the Parmesan and top with the mozzarella. Sprinkle the oregano on top. Wrap tightly with foil (preferably Reynolds No-Stick foil).

Bake for one hour (if using regular, cooked noodles) or one hour and 15 minutes (if using no-boil noodles). Remove foil and bake for 10 minutes more, until top is golden. Remove from oven and allow to sit for 15 minutes before slicing.

The Italian Dish
http://theitaliandishblog.com


and this
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Roasted Vegetable Lasagna



for the bechamel:
1/2 cup butter (1 stick)
1/2 cup flour
4 cups milk
some grated nutmeg
1/2 tsp ground white pepper
1 chicken bouillion cube (amount that you would dissolve in 1 cup water)
note: if you are using Knorr bouillion cubes, remember they are for 2 cups of water - just cut them in half)

Vegetables to roast (you can use anything you like)
I used a combination of zucchini, yellow squash, carrots, 3 garlic cloves and some chopped up fresh spinach

Lasagna noodles for one 13x9 inch baking pan
I don't recommend "no boil" noodles for this lasagna.

1 cup grated Parmesan cheese
1 cup shredded mozzarella cheese

For the bechamel:
In a medium sized saucepan, melt the butter. Whisk in the flour and cook for just a minute or so. Slowly add the milk and keep whisking. Add the nutmeg, white pepper and bouillion cube and whisk. Cook for a few minutes, whisking, until the bechamel has thickened slightly. Set aside to cool. Stir it once in a while so a skin doesn't form.

For the vegetables:
Chop vegetables uniformly. Mince garlic. Combine half the mixed vegetables on a baking sheet pan. Drizzle with olive oil, salt and pepper. Roast for several minutes at 400 degrees. Stir. Roast for several minutes more until vegetables are soft. You can roast a little longer, if you like them to be slightly carmelized. Repeat with remaining vegetables. Set aside to cool slightly.

Cook lasagna noodles for 5 minutes, until soft. Shock in a bowl of ice water, lay on towels to dry.

Spray a 13x9 baking pan with a little cooking spray. Spoon some bechamel thinly on the bottom of the pan. Start with a layer of noodles, a layer of bechamel, some vegetables, and then a layer of a little parmesan and mozzarella. Repeat layers until you have 6 layers of noodles. On top of the last layer, don't use any vegetables, just some bechamel and the remaining cheeses. Cover tightly with foil.

At this point, you can refrigerate this for a day if you want. When you are ready to bake, bring to room temperature for an hour and then bake for 50 minutes in a 350 degree oven. Remove foil. Bake for a little longer until top is slightly golden. Let sit for 15 minutes before slicing.

The Italian Dish
http://theitaliandishblog.com


This site is fantastic for recipes that can be used for Great Lent.


Edited by theophan (02/15/11 09:48 PM)
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#360138 - 02/15/11 10:45 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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Hmm, Bob, those all sound delicious but won't be usable in Great Lent because of the milk and cheese ingredients frown (but, they are definitely on the list for afterwards biggrin )

Many years,

Neil
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#360231 - 02/17/11 07:42 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: Irish Melkite]
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NEIL:

Not to worry. Regular soft tofu can be substituted for the riccotta or other cheese and Silk--soy milk--can be substituted for the milk in each case. My son's pesto recipe doesn't use anything but basil and olive oil so that can be substituted, too. Do these modifications meet the fasting rules?

In the recipe calling for a stick of butter, I've also seen sauces of that nature that omit the butter to be truly vegan.

Bob


Edited by theophan (02/17/11 07:45 PM)

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#360233 - 02/17/11 09:27 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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Bob,

As far as whether the modifications meet or don't, I'll leave that to others (I can just manage to keep on top of the things that definitely don't - once you get into substitutions, I'm clueless).

As far as tofu, I still can't get myself to try it. I did have soy milk about a week ago (that's what happens when you recuperate at the home of your vegetarian - tho not vegan - son).

In oatmeal and in coffee, it was ok; I know that doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement, but it seemed a bit sweetish to my taste (a consideration that my son's girl friend tells me is a positive one - I'm not yet certain if I agree biggrin )

Many years,

Neil
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#360236 - 02/17/11 10:12 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: Irish Melkite]
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NEIL:

Tofu comes in a couple forms. There is "regular" and "silk." The regular comes in water and the soft version of regular is akin to mozarella. It has little taste and thus can be flavored with almost anything. So when it's mixed with a blender it can be made into a consistency akin to ricotta cheese. Just needs a little salt and some garlic and you won't know the difference. But you don't eat the stuff out of the water by itself--yuck!!

I regularly go to a Chinese takeout place that makes up a steamed vegetable and tofu dinner with brown rice and garlic sauce that you put on yourself. Get enough garlic sauce on it and the tofu tastes like garlic and has the consistency of boiled egg whites. (You can tell I'm not a very picky eater; just glad to have something at all. grin)

Bob

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#361173 - 03/05/11 05:20 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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Have a question for all of my brethren here.

Does soy milk count as "milk" for the fasting prohibition?

One variation for vegetable lasagna that I've run across has the white sauce made from Silk, the soy milk. The poster says it thickens when it's heated and would make a good white sauce.

Bob

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#361177 - 03/05/11 07:12 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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I do hope the pasta is egg free!
Stephanos I
PS I have a great recipe book that can be used during the Great Fast with a wonderful North African Moroccan dish which has a wonderful combination of spices.


Edited by Stephanos I (03/05/11 07:15 PM)

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#361181 - 03/05/11 07:37 PM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: Stephanos I]
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Yes, the pasta is egg free. Now about that soy milk . . .

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#361200 - 03/06/11 01:45 AM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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Originally Posted By: theophan
Yes, the pasta is egg free. Now about that soy milk . . .


I generally don't use soy products of any kind, for a couple of reasons, but soy milk isn't the only non-dairy milk that's out there. I usually use almond milk, which you can buy unsweetened, sweetened, or vanilla flavor. The unsweetened works well in most recipes. I wouldn't use the sweetened in something like lasagna, or soup, but it's fine for hot or cold cereal, dessert recipes, etc. You can also get oat milk, hazelnut milk, hemp milk, etc.

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#361201 - 03/06/11 01:51 AM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: Jaya]
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You can also make cashew milk really easily at home. You just put raw cashews and water in the blender and whizz it up. You can add a little sweetener or salt if you want. I used to make it a lot when I was vegan. Or cashew cream - just use less water. I forget the exact proportions, but you can easily play with the recipe. You can also make the almond milk in the blender (use blanched almonds), or probably any nut milk. I've only done almond and cashew.

I seem to remember that you may have to filter the almond milk. Not the cashew, though.


Edited by Jaya (03/06/11 01:52 AM)

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#361204 - 03/06/11 02:32 AM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: theophan]
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If soy milk counts as milk I want to see the animal it was milked from. I milk goats and make cheese but drink soy milk. Go figure. It is good there are a lot of Latins and Protestants around or there would be a lot of milk going to waste around my place.

What about vegetarian cheese with casin in it?

My daughter is a vegan. It seems to me if you are a vegan your penance during Lent should be to have to eat meat, milk and eggs. Anyway every time I walk by that jumbo three meat subway sandwich at the convenience store it looks bigger. I think by the end of Lent is is going to look like the Nautilus.

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#361205 - 03/06/11 03:00 AM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: JimG]
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Thank you all for this very useful discussion. I am going to try to expand out my fasting activities this year from meat-free to meat- and fish-, and potentially egg-, free, but am concerned about getting the right protein (and calcium if I try to trim down the dairy). Does anyone have any suggestions that they can share?

Thanks,

Lech

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#361206 - 03/06/11 03:28 AM Re: Vegetable lasagna [Re: Lech Lecha]
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Originally Posted By: Lech Lecha
Thank you all for this very useful discussion. I am going to try to expand out my fasting activities this year from meat-free to meat- and fish-, and potentially egg-, free, but am concerned about getting the right protein (and calcium if I try to trim down the dairy). Does anyone have any suggestions that they can share?

Thanks,

Lech


For protein, eat nuts, seeds (sunflower, pumpkin, etc), peanut butter and other nut butters (almond butter, sesame tahini), dried beans (pintos, black beans, chickpeas, great northerns, etc), all kinds of lentils, and tofu and tempeh.

Miriam Nelson, a Tufts University professor who has done research on osteoporosis, and written books about it, suggests the following for vegans in terms of calcium:

1. Eat dark green leafy veggies every day (kale and such).

2. Add tofu to casseroles, salads, etc. (I've read you have to check the labels - some kinds have a good amount and some don't. It depends how it's made)

3. Use calcium-fortified soy milk, orange juice, and cereals.

I've also read that almonds, almond butter, and tahini have reasonable amounts of calcium, but I've never checked that info.

Take a good quality calcium supplement daily if you're concerned you're not getting enough.

And if you eat whole grains and whole-grain bread, instead of refined ones, you might find you'll have more energy and feel better. Like brown rice instead of white, etc. Whole grains help keep the blood sugar more stable.


Edited by Jaya (03/06/11 03:30 AM)

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