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Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105089 06/16/06 02:43 PM
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That is great, Father! We need more great catholic-minded Latin priests like yourself around!

And I know a few... biggrin

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Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105090 06/16/06 02:54 PM
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I agree that FUS grads tend to be a little oddball in their version of Catholicism, be they Eastern or Western. I know of more than a few folks who are now involved in the Catholic Charismatic movement but very involved in youth ministry (especially Life Teen, which in my opinion is a bit too Protestant).

However, I also know of 2 men (FUS grads) who are currently in seminary for ACROD and 1 in seminary at Sts. Cyril and Methodius -- all very devout Eastern men.

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105091 06/16/06 03:36 PM
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Hi,

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Actually, that was at the time when the Covenant Community had a decisive influence, with its advocates in position of real power
Ah, aha. I thought we were talking about the Renewal, not the Covenant Communities (which we can also talk about, but we need to be careful not to confuse one with the other).

Both are "charismatic", but that is as far as similarities go between these two "flavors" of charismatic spirituality.

Shalom,
Memo

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105092 06/16/06 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by ukrainiancatholic:
[b] What is unfortunate is that I know people who have gone to FUS and have totally abandoned their cradle Eastern heritage and are now full-blown charasmatics and in many cases, anti-East. This includes priest kids, deacon kids, and a sibling of mine who is currently at FUS and belongs to one of those households.

Its a shame. Some even argue that the East isn't as valid, or not Catholic enough.

I am tempted at times to enroll, become Orthodox, and start an Eastern Orthodox chapliancy/brotherhood just to stirr up the place. But I will spare my sibling the emberresment.

-uc
if that's the case, I am quite annoyed. who is responsible for this travesty, this alienation of EC youth from their heritage? if what you say is on the ball, then FUS needs to look into this and work towards preserving these students' Rites. I thought that Rome was more or less bending over backwards to ensure that the very situation that you describe does not occur. perhaps I am thinking too much, and am lapsing into wishful thinking.
Much Love,
Jonn [/b]
In fairness to the school, there were less than ten Eastern Catholics enrolled in classes while I was working on my MA in Theology, and two of those students (counting me) were Latin Catholics who became members of the Ruthenian Church only after attending the school for a while.

Also I would like to say that the majority of the professors in the Theology Department were supportive of my theological interests, and often went out of their way in order to accommodate Eastern theological perspectives in class.

The only problems I faced came not from the school or from my professors, but from many of my fellow students, who often saw anything Eastern as threatening to the faith, and as somehow "less Catholic" than Western traditions and doctrines. That being said, it would be nice if an organization could be founded at the school with the intention of helping Eastern Catholic students to maintain their Eastern Catholic identity, while simultaneously educating Western Catholics on the beauty of the Eastern spiritual, liturgical, and doctrinal tradition.

Finally, I was blessed to live in a dorm with two other Byzantine Catholic students, and with a number of Western Catholic students who were open to the East, and who normally attended the divine liturgy at the local Byzantine Catholic Church with the three of us. In fact there were normally between ten and twelve students from the dorm who would caravan over to Weirton in order to attend divine liturgy, and -- as I said -- only three of us were actually Eastern Catholic.

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105093 06/20/06 11:20 PM
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Yet another positive article about the Renewal, this time from Korea:

Charismatic Renewal Credited in Seoul

Shalom,
Memo

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105094 06/21/06 02:17 PM
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Once a thread gets to be 10 pages long, the desire to read it through just wanes!

I only hope that Orthodox and Catholic churches don't start handling rattlesnakes.

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches #105095 06/21/06 03:15 PM
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I'm a desert dweller and have no problems with rattlesnakes/scorpions...or wolves & coyotes...be alert and wary...be they 2 or 4 6 8 legged...or "none" legged wink

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Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: eumir] #363821 04/30/11 08:24 PM
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Maybe some have some article or can recommend something to read about "chrismatics" in Eastern Catholics Churches. In our Church it is not wide spread phenomenon, but not so long ago a have had a few meetings with one community. I am not a member of movement, but I want to understand and know if there is any experience of reception of this movement in Eastern. Because as far as I know previous head of UGCC His Beattitude Lubomir once said that this is not authentic phenomenon for our tradition. I have same thoughts yet, after my experience, but it interesting to read something more.

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: eumir] #363853 05/01/11 08:18 AM
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Anatolius,

Welcome to the forum!

I've seen some evidence of it in photos from an Armenian Catholic parish in South America and among Melkite Catholics in one place in the US. It seems to me that I've also seen a few other references to it elsewhere, but where it was escapes me at the moment.

In the case of the Melkites to whom I referred, I'd say that most of those involved were actually Latins worshipping with Melkites - but two priests - one Melkite and one a bi-ritual Maronite-Melkite - were definitely supportive of it. In the instance of the Armenians, the eparch appeared to be supportive of the movement. I found both cases to be something with which I was very, very uncomfortable.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: eumir] #363854 05/01/11 10:39 AM
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By its very nature, Eastern Christian worship is charismatic, and we have no need to indulge in spectacles to demonstrate it. Everything we do is through the descent and action of the Holy Spirit.

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: StuartK] #364057 05/05/11 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by StuartK
By its very nature, Eastern Christian worship is charismatic, and we have no need to indulge in spectacles to demonstrate it. Everything we do is through the descent and action of the Holy Spirit.

I agree.

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: StuartK] #364162 05/07/11 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by StuartK
By its very nature, Eastern Christian worship is charismatic, and we have no need to indulge in spectacles to demonstrate it. Everything we do is through the descent and action of the Holy Spirit.


I agree, also

Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: Anatolius] #364322 05/11/11 01:08 PM
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It is precisely because Eastern Christian worship is charismatic that we should make use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit which we ask to receive during our liturgies. It is scriptural to pray in tongues, to use words of knowledge, to prophesy (interpret the word), to lay hands on others and pray for healing (Mark 16:18; 1 Cor 14, etc.) These are not crazy Protestant inventions.
The use of these gifts allows us fully experience our byzantine spirituality.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Henry P.
It is scriptural to pray in tongues


It is scriptural to speak in tongues.

When the Apostles did it, everyone understood.
When Charismatics do it, nobody understands.


I'm just not convinced these opposites are really quite the same thing.



Re: Charismatic (Renewal) Movement and Eastern Catholic Churches [Re: eumir] #364378 05/12/11 10:11 PM
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Speaking in tongues is truly a gift of the Holy Spirit. However, if everyone at the prayer service understands the same language it it unnecessary.

The Gift is very valuable should you go to a foreign land, or attend an international event and others would understand whatever lesson or inspiration the Holy Spirit gives you.

In our American services where everyone understands the teaching language of lessons or homilies, speaking in tongues is the Gift of least importance. What is actually embarrassing is that we have not nurtured the other Gifts of the Holy Spirit which He surely has given to our Church members. Either the Holy Spirit has abandoned us (which I don't believe at all) or it exposes the weakness of the Faith on the part of those of us who have been Chrismated.

The bottom line is that every one of us needs to pray that we nurture each of our gifts. I would like to see the results of a survey which asks:
What Gifts has the Holy Spirit given you?
Have you prayed that the Gifts be revealed to you?
Have you asked the Holy Spirit to help you to share your Gifts?

If we pray over and contemplate these questions, THEN we will be truly charismatic.

Christ is risen!
Fr Deacon Paul

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