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Ukrainian Catechism #353646 09/28/10 01:45 PM
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Does anyone happen to know when the Ukrainian Catechism will be available for purchase? Last I read it was being printed this year for distribution.

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: Little Boy Lost] #353648 09/28/10 01:58 PM
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I believe the proofs are in final review. The problem is that there are multiple languages involved (Ukrainian, English, Russian, Portuguese, Spanish and Polish in the first print runs); thus the review for consistency across the texts is somewhat complicated and involves reviewers on multiple continents.

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That's an excuse, not a reason. You don't launch a multi-lingual publication in all languages simultaneously, you roll it out according to demand. Thus, the Ukrainian version (which ought to be normative) could come out immediately, followed by the Russian language version, then the Polish version, the English version, and the others at leisure. It might take three years to get all the versions out the door, but that is no reason to hold up release of those for which the demand is greatest.

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It's a reason and a statement of fact and not an excuse. You can write to the Patriarchal Catechetical Commission if you like, but I prefer the full implementation approach and not the piecemeal which would take even longer rather than one deadline for the whole product. I'm extremely pleased, delays and all, that at least one particular Eastern Catholic Church is on the verge of producing what was suggested by Patriarch Josyp when he was still alive and promoted by various statements from Rome.

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: Diak] #353685 09/28/10 09:18 PM
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Then I hope you are prepared to wait for a very long time, indeed, because it is quite difficult to generate just one accurate translation of a book into another language. To do it for six languages, ensuring fidelity across all versions, may well take forever. Which is why no publisher ever does it this way.

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: StuartK] #353698 09/29/10 05:03 AM
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According to Bishop Peter (Stasiuk), head of the working group, not all languages will be released at the same time.

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“Talk about Catechism is talk about the identity of our Church. Many people think that they know what our Church is, know its essence, its history. When we look closer, we see that our church has changed in the last 100 years, and that is because there was a lot of influence that was foreign to our Church’s rite, but in some way we have appropriated them,” said Bishop Petro (Stasyuk), head of the working group on writing the Catechism.

According to the Bishop Petro, every national church has to have its own Catechism. Patriarch Lubomyr said in the introduction to the Catechism of the Catholic Church that our Church will “give its faithful theological explanations on the basis of its own tradition.”

“I want to ask all people who will hold the Catechism in their hands to look at this book as an expression of our faith, an expression of the Ukrainian soul, to find here a rational grain in search of God. In addition, let them have an open heart and mind, and be conscious that there is part of their inheritance in this book,” concluded the bishop.

We remind that soon the world will see the first edition of Catechism of Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. The work on the text, which was coordinated by the Patriarchal Catechetic Committee, lasted for nearly 9 years. Its result were presented to the Synod of Bishops of UGCC on September 2-9, 2010, in Lviv-Bryukhovychi. According to the Bishop Bohdan (Dzyurakh), the Secretary of the Synod, “the bishops will still examine it. Final observations will be made, and we hope that during the next year final decisions will be made and the Catechism will enter the world.”

The planned number of copies is 50 thousand. The Catechism is to be printed in three languages: Ukrainian, English, and Portuguese or Spanish. There is also talk about a Russian version.



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Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: Two Lungs] #353703 09/29/10 10:01 AM
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The Russian version would seem to be a no-win situation for the UGCC: if they don't publish it, they will be ignoring a substantial portion of the Ukrainian population for whom Russian is their first language; if they do publish it, sure as the sky is blue, the Moscow Patriarchate will accuse them of proselytism.

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That sounds sensible; one would expect the Ukrainian and English versions to be the first out as those languages represent the largest base of faithful. Likewise once either a Portuguese or Spanish edition is finished the other could be rendered from the predecessor. I would be a bit surprised, however, if the Russian version does not come with the first batch or slightly after, considering the Eastern Ukrainian eparchies/exarchates have faithful who speak Russian as a first language.

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The Russian version would seem to be a no-win situation for the UGCC: if they don't publish it, they will be ignoring a substantial portion of the Ukrainian population for whom Russian is their first language; if they do publish it, sure as the sky is blue, the Moscow Patriarchate will accuse them of proselytism.


That will likely be the case anyway, regardless of the language of publication. Look at what's happening in Odesa.

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: Diak] #353728 09/29/10 01:36 PM
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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Will the UGCC Catechism be organized more like the CCC or the Light for Life Byzantine catechism or something totally different? Anyone know this kind of info yet?

Kyrie eleison,

Manuel

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The Catechetical Directory (the precursor to the Catechism) was not organized like the Latin catechetical directory, so one would expect the Catechism to likewise follow its own form distinct from the CCC.

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The current issue of "The Way" has some more information about the development of the UGCC Catechism. See pages 7-10.

http://www.ukrarcheparchy.us/way/THEWAY101017ENG.pdf

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This catechism has been a long time in coming. We've all been waiting for years now. I for one, am eager to purchase a copy once it is made available in English.

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: danman916] #363583 04/25/11 12:59 PM
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Any updates on the Catechism?

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: Little Boy Lost] #365941 06/24/11 11:21 PM
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Going to the printers now.

Re: Ukrainian Catechism [Re: Little Boy Lost] #367042 07/21/11 07:49 PM
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There was a presentation on 28 of June. So I have it yet.

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