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When people start using the term "cafeteria Catholic" in reference to people who want nothing more than to worship in the fullness of their Tradition, as directed by the Holy See itself, I think we know where the label "jerk" rightly belongs. Well said. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us." (St. Anthony the Great)A Christian must oppose what is wrong at all times. Our bishops and many of our clergy do not love the jewel of our own Liturgical Tradition - because one cannot love what one does not know. They whitewash their jewel with their own ideas and politics and demand obedience to their own creation. And when the people are chased away they dare complain about unfaithfulness! The RDL is the latest and most problematic symptom of this very long-standing problem. One may attempt to take the "Let's try to live with a bad Liturgy" approach but eventually one will find that you can't build a solid house on the foundation of a warped Liturgy.
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So you say...
I detest cafeteria catholicism where individuals believe they themselves are are arbiters of what is good and bad, what they should accept and reject. far, far too Protestant in practice for me.. I'm confused. Are you saying the current Ruthenian liturgy is good because it's the Ruthenian liturgy, or does it have merit beyond the church that promulgates it? When it is revised yet again, will you be saying the same thing you are now, regardlesd of the revisions?
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There is an entire forum devoted to discussion - pro or con - of the Revised Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Metropolia of Pittsburgh. It may be time that this thread go there.
However, regardless of whether it remains here or is moved, the personal comments directed at one another by posters need to end - and now.
Disagree on principle, disagree on application, raise and defend your points and, civilly, address the points raised by your opponent.
Do not continue (as in 'cease') the practice of analyzing one another against some self-developed standard and use your interpretation of it as a basis for maligning or lambasting one another. That is not debate, it's just plain arguing - neither illuminating nor instructive to others.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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I am in general agreement with Irish Melkite on this.
And yet we need to have pastoral concern for people who have been hurt, and who continue to be hurt. The longer and greater one loves something the longer and greater the grieving process for the loss will be. And the fact that the loss was totally unnecessary and intentional makes the whole affair far worse.
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