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#368870 - 09/05/11 09:46 PM Re: Chaldean Catholic liturgy [Re: babochka]
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Registered: 11/17/10
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The business of statues vs icons, etc, seems to me to be little more than window dressing when one considers, as was pointed out earlier, that the Assyrian Church traditionally has none of it. Just because the Chaldeans chose not to "go Byzantine" in their liturgical art does not make them any less Oriental.

And I'm kind of shocked by the negative comments about the Chaldean Church's liturgical practices. The English text of the reformed Missal can be found here, and it is very clear that it is anything but Latin, or Roman, or whatever. Unfortunately, there are several bishops (apparently including one in the US) who are obstructionist and refuse to implement many of the restorations, preferring to maintain the Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinizations that had infected the Chaldean Church in post-conciliar days. However, and despite the obstructionists, the Chaldean Church has made great strides in restoring the liturgy itself, and has also officially restored ad orientem, and even the sanctuary curtain. From my point of view, these restorations are wonderful and should not be taken lightly. I could only wish my own Maronite Church would do the same, but alas, Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinizations continue have a stranglehold on us. mad


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#368884 - 09/06/11 05:41 AM Re: Chaldean Catholic liturgy [Re: babochka]
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Thank you to all who gave helpful opinions here, especially to Neil , who was able to provide the information I sought. I was able to attend the Chaldean Church with my friend yesterday. The church did have statues and stations of the cross. The liturgy was most definitely not essentially a Roman Liturgy, although if you didn't know what was being said, I understand how somebody might see it that way. It was very long (nearly 2 hours), as the readings and homily were given three times, in Assyrian, Arabic, and English. The other parts of the liturgy alternated between the three languages, with the Anaphora in English. I was able to follow along in the book in English. The text was quite different from a Roman Mass. The Church was beautiful; it was also very Roman. Interestingly, the books directed the people to kneel at certain times. Nobody in the congregation knelt, but the altar servers did. I hope to go back again soon. They're trying to have a social event once a month. Next month they are cooking up some falafel, so I suspect we might manage to show up for that. laugh


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