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Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Father Valerian] #371907 11/17/11 02:57 PM
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Different in the sense that they're within the Dar al-Moscow.

Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: JDC] #371921 11/17/11 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JDC
Different in the sense that they're within the Dar al-Moscow.

Dar al-Moscow as in...?

Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Father Valerian] #371924 11/17/11 06:40 PM
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A play on words. Sorry for the confusion. I'm referencing the Islamic concept of the Dar al-Islam, the "house of Islam", whereby any part of the earth which has been brought under submission to Islam may not be returned to any other religion or system of government. Moscow seems to hold to a similar belief.

Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Irish Melkite] #372174 11/20/11 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
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The Russian will have tea with the Malankara and the Copt and the Latin, just as long as that Gallician imposter isn't invited?


What do you mean?


Anatolius,

JDC is being facetious. He's noting the irony of the fact that it seems the MP will happily meet with any hierarchs, representing most any of the Eastern or Oriental Catholic Churches (see the thread on the visit of the MP to Lebanon where he met with the patriarchs or their representatives of most all of the EC and OC Churches of the Middle East) - but he's not about to sit down the His Beatitude.

Though, to be honest about it, I seem to recollect that one of the Russian Orthodox Metropolitans did meet with him recently and that it was reported on/discussed here.

Many years,

Neil



Oh, I understand:)

My comment on UGCC MP relations on RISU
http://risu.org.ua/en/index/expert_thought/open_theme/44340/

Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Anatolius] #372271 11/23/11 03:07 AM
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Holy Trinity parish re-established in the former metropolitan capital of Radomyshl


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On November 11, 2011, by the order of Zhytomyr Regional State Administration the newly established congregation of the Holy Trinity of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church of Radomyshl was registered.

With all confidence we can talk about the restoration of the parish of the Holy Trinity Cathedral, which actively served here for several centuries. After all, in the 18th century the Kyivan metropolitan eparchy became the center of gravity for the whole Uniate Church in Ukraine. As of 1749 the Kyiv metropolitan eparchy had 21 deaneries with 361 churches (the Radomyshl deanery had 43 churches). In 1752 the Kyiv metropolitan eparchy consisted of 824 churches. It is no wonder that in the middle of the 18th century Uniate metropolitans established the seat of the metropolitans in Radomyshl, about 100 kilometers from Kyiv, which belonged to Russia. In the second half of the same century Radomyshl became a place of permanent residence of the metropolitans of the Ukrainian Church.

The consistory in Radomyshl was arranged in 1746, the last year Athanasy Sheptytsky was metropolitan. In fact, the rise of Radomyshl occurs under Metropolitan Florian Hrebnytsky (1748-1762) and Pylyp Volodkovych (1762-1778).

In 1763 Metropolitan Pylyp Volodkovych consecrated a new cathedral in Radomyshl. During the rebellion of 1768, which was suppressed by autocratic Russia, a detachment of Colonel Prince Meshchersky raged between Zhytomir and Radomyshl. Persecution began of Uniates, who were forcibly transferred into Orthodoxy. In 1772, of 32 deaneries of the Kyiv metropolitan eparchy, 23 were transferred to Orthodoxy, and 46 Uniate priests who did not submit to the violence were imprisoned in Berdychiv. In 1773 the Uniate priests (400 people, including 43 of Radomyshl deanery) signed in Radomysl a “promise not to deviate from the union and submit to the Uniate metropolitan.”

During the visitation of 1779, Metropolitan Lev Sheptytsky died and was buried magnificently in Radomyshl.

In 1780 Yason Smohorzhevsky headed the metropolitanate. He moved his own bishop- metropolitan residence to Radomyshl. The metropolitan’s greatest achievements in Radomyshl were the establishment of a diocesan seminary for 100 students and the construction of a stone cathedral. Yason Smohorzhevsky died in Radomysl and was buried in the Cathedral of the Holy Trinity.

The last Uniate metropolitan to reside Radomyshl was Theodosii Rostotsky (1788-1805).

In 1795, after the third partition of Poland, Russia abolished the Uniate metropolitan and its residency in Radomyshl.

After the liquidation of the Uniate metropolitan in 1795, the wooden Metropolitan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity in Radomyshl became Orthodox. In 1851 the church was rebuilt on a stone foundation. In 1856 the church was again repaired, and the bell tower was reconstructed. Yet elements of Uniate decorations remained. The fate of the unfinished stone church, begun by Metropolitan Yason Smohorzhevsky, for many years was uncertain, also, perhaps, because large sums of money were needed for its completion, and Russia had to see that the Uniate Church was destroyed, like the remains of an unfinished church.

In 1927 the Holy Trinity Cathedral was destroyed and in its place the then mayor built himself a house.

The present Greek Catholics of Radomyshl did not forget the tragic fate of the Holy Trinity Cathedral. Therefore, on August 23, 2011, at a general meeting of the parish its statute was passed and the charter of His Beatitude Sviatoslav and the chairman of the Zhytomyr Regional State Administration for registering the congregation was adopted.

The clergy of Zhytomyr oversees the revived community. Soon a priest will be appointed to serve the congregation. Currently the community is being registered by the sate and a place is being sought to hold services.



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Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: StuartK] #372272 11/23/11 08:52 AM
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Well, you have to understand. From the Russian perspective, Ukraine, like Georgia, is . . . different.


I think most people here understand that, but it doesn't make Moscow's position justified.

Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Father Valerian] #372276 11/23/11 02:14 PM
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I wasn't justifying it, just pointing out that in some things, Russians are just mental, and totally incapable of rational thought.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
I wasn't justifying it, just pointing out that in some things, Russians are just mental, and totally incapable of rational thought.


If we are going to resort to racial slurs, what is the point of even dialoguing? I suggest a public retraction, Mr.Koehl

Alexandr Alexandrovich

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Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Father Valerian] #372319 11/25/11 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Originally Posted by StuartK
I wasn't justifying it, just pointing out that in some things, Russians are just mental, and totally incapable of rational thought.


If we are going to resort to racial slurs, what is the point of even dialoguing? I suggest a public retraction, Mr.Koehl

Alexandr Alexandrovich


Stuart,

While Alexandr suggests it, I insist on it!

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Re: New Metropolia of the UGCC in Ukraine [Re: Father Valerian] #373533 12/25/11 07:02 AM
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The new Metropolia of Ternopil-Zboriv was inaugurated on December 22.

Many Years for Metropolitan Vasyl (Semeniuk).


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http://www.tze.org.ua/media/fotogal...-stav-jepyskop-ugkc-vasyli-semenjuk.html


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