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#375457 - 02/09/12 07:34 AM Saint
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I've read that you celebrate the feastday of the Orthodox Gregory Palamas. Wasn't he Orthodox? and you therefore read Philokalia?

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#375465 - 02/09/12 08:45 AM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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henrikhank:

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!

Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure to whom you are addressing your question. Though we are titled The Byzantine Catholic Church in America on some mastheads, we have grown to become an Eastern Christian forum that includes many members of the Eastern Churches, both Catholic and Orthodox, as well as many members who do not identify with either communion.

There is a thread that may help you understand the varied group that we are in Town Hall entitled "Who We Are."

In Christ,

Bob
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#375474 - 02/09/12 11:22 AM Re: Saint [Re: theophan]
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Originally Posted By: theophan

I'm not sure to whom you are addressing your question. Though we are titled The Byzantine Catholic Church in America on some mastheads, we have grown to become an Eastern Christian forum that includes many members of the Eastern Churches, both Catholic and Orthodox, as well as many members who do not identify with either communion.


I've read some threads and many Catholics seem to read Philokalia. Is it really a Catholic book?

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#375475 - 02/09/12 01:11 PM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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If you're really asking the broader question as to whether Eastern Catholics read books by Orthodox Saints and other Orthodox authors, as I suspect to be the case, you'll find that we read many such works.

Many years,

Neil
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#375493 - 02/09/12 04:36 PM Re: Saint [Re: Irish Melkite]
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If you're really asking the broader question as to whether Eastern Catholics read books by Orthodox Saints and other Orthodox authors, as I suspect to be the case, you'll find that we read many such works.

Many years,

Neil


maybe there are some writings/message by the Eastern Churches on this subject?


Edited by theophan (02/10/12 06:23 PM)

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#375519 - 02/10/12 03:17 AM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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Originally Posted By: henrikhank
Originally Posted By: Irish Melkite
If you're really asking the broader question as to whether Eastern Catholics read books by Orthodox Saints and other Orthodox authors, as I suspect to be the case, you'll find that we read many such works.


maybe there are some writings/message by the Eastern Churches on this subject?


henrik,

Not sure precisely what you're asking here. Could you elaborate a bit, please?

Many years,

Neil
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#375549 - 02/10/12 05:28 PM Re: Saint [Re: Irish Melkite]
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Originally Posted By: Irish Melkite
Originally Posted By: henrikhank
Originally Posted By: Irish Melkite
If you're really asking the broader question as to whether Eastern Catholics read books by Orthodox Saints and other Orthodox authors, as I suspect to be the case, you'll find that we read many such works.


maybe there are some writings/message by the Eastern Churches on this subject?


henrik,

Not sure precisely what you're asking here. Could you elaborate a bit, please?

Many years,

Neil

what does the Church say about veneating Orthodox saints and reading their bookd?

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#375575 - 02/11/12 10:46 AM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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Nothing at all. Read to your heart's content. Truth is truth, wherever it is found.

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#375577 - 02/11/12 11:48 AM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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The text of the Anthologion printed by Rome includes the feast of St. Gregory Palamas in an appendix with the earlier text printed in the body of the Triodion. The Melkite texts in French reverse the order. There seems no doubt as to Palamas' sanctity. Hardly a year goes by but that a candidate obtains a doctorate from a Roman pontifical university on some aspect of Palamite theology/spirituality. I myself own a four volume Italian translation of the Philocalia from an 'impeccably Catholic' source. Ditto for the Way of a Pilgrim which heartily endorses the Philocalia and Palamite practice. Orthodox return the compliment by reading Lorenzo Scupoli's Unseen Warfare in an 'Orthodox' version!

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#375579 - 02/11/12 02:33 PM Re: Saint [Re: Ot'ets Nastoiatel']
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Ot'ets Nastoiatel'

The text of the Anthologion printed by Rome includes the feast of St. Gregory Palamas in an appendix with the earlier text printed in the body of the Triodion. The Melkite texts in French reverse the order. There seems no doubt as to Palamas' sanctity. Hardly a year goes by but that a candidate obtains a doctorate from a Roman pontifical university on some aspect of Palamite theology/spirituality. I myself own a four volume Italian translation of the Philocalia from an 'impeccably Catholic' source. Ditto for the Way of a Pilgrim which heartily endorses the Philocalia and Palamite practice. Orthodox return the compliment by reading Lorenzo Scupoli's Unseen Warfare in an 'Orthodox' version!


so to be canonized to don't have to be a Confirmed Catholic only Catholic in your heart?


Edited by theophan (02/11/12 05:10 PM)

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#375585 - 02/11/12 05:14 PM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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so to be canonized to don't have to be a Confirmed Catholic


Christ is in our midst!!

Other Churches of Apostolic origin also make formal declarations about a person being a saint. Rome has no monopoly on doing that.

In Christ,

Bob

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#375592 - 02/11/12 05:55 PM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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so to be canonized to don't have to be a Confirmed Catholic only Catholic in your heart?


Are you trying to say the Orthodox aren't Catholic? Because, good Catholic that I am, I will take issue with you on that assertion. The Church is One, Catholic and Apostolic. The Church of Rome recognizes the Orthodox Churches as true Churches. Ergo, the Orthodox Churches are as Catholic as the Church of Rome itself.

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#375661 - 02/13/12 10:14 AM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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neither!

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#376141 - 02/22/12 06:41 PM Re: Saint [Re: StuartK]
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so to be canonized to don't have to be a Confirmed Catholic only Catholic in your heart?


Are you trying to say the Orthodox aren't Catholic? Because, good Catholic that I am, I will take issue with you on that assertion. The Church is One, Catholic and Apostolic. The Church of Rome recognizes the Orthodox Churches as true Churches. Ergo, the Orthodox Churches are as Catholic as the Church of Rome itself.

I meant that the Orthodix were not Catholic in the same way as Melkites are Catholics. Melkites accept the Pope and the dogmas.
I am also confused. why did the Melkites unite theselves with the Pope if they already belonged to the Catholic Church?

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#376151 - 02/22/12 11:32 PM Re: Saint [Re: henrikhank]
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The Orthodox are just as Catholic as the Melkites, not only in my opinion, but in the opinion of the Melkite Synod as well. And who says one has to be united to the Pope to be Catholic? In the centuries when the West saw two, and sometimes three Popes, who was to say at which moment which Western Christians were Catholic and which war not? There is more to Catholicity than mere papism.

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