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#375699 - 02/14/12 02:47 AM Julian Pascha
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Would someone kindly tell me when Pascha is on th eJulian calendar this year?
Thanks.

Bob

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#375708 - 02/14/12 04:04 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: theophan]
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April 15th.

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#375710 - 02/14/12 04:10 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: theophan]
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Incentive for my Orthodox brethren to submit their tax returns early.

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#375715 - 02/14/12 05:06 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: StuartK]
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Originally Posted By: StuartK
Incentive for my Orthodox brethren to submit their tax returns early.


Unless they're Canadian, then they have 15 more days wink

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#375720 - 02/14/12 07:13 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: StuartK]
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Originally Posted By: StuartK
Incentive for my Orthodox brethren to submit their tax returns early.


Always a good plan. But...

Tax day this year is April 17th.

April 15th is Sunday, the Post Offices are closed.

April 16th is a Public Holiday in Washington, DC, "Emancipation Day", so the government offices are closed.

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#375728 - 02/14/12 09:50 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: Two Lungs]
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Originally Posted By: Two Lungs
Tax day this year is April 17th.

April 15th is Sunday, the Post Offices are closed.

April 16th is a Public Holiday in Washington, DC, "Emancipation Day", so the government offices are closed.


For any who file for an extension, however, the extended deadline remains Oct 15th - the two added days at the outset are not added on at the end.

Many years,

Neil
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."

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#375783 - 02/15/12 03:03 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: theophan]
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For future reference:

The Julian and Gregorian Pascha celebrations will be on the same day in these years:

2014 2017 2025 2028

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#375785 - 02/15/12 03:34 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: theophan]
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Since we know that the origins of 'Easter' are from a pagan word, and that 'Pascha' means Passover (thus being the appropriate word for the feast of the Resurrection as well as the word used in all other languages), does anyone here know if there is any movement or trend in other Christian faith traditions here in the United States to use the word 'Pascha/Pesach/Passover, etc.' instead of Easter'?

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#375788 - 02/15/12 04:39 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: theophan]
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It isn't a pagan word. It's a word with a long-forgotten pagan root which now has no meaning or associations except the Christian ones.

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#375789 - 02/15/12 04:52 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: theophan]
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Language variations of 'Passover' (Pascha/Pesach/Pasqua,etc.) are mostly used in other languages:

The word Easter:
Eostre - a pagan Anglo-Saxon Goddess
This mythical figure is said to have been the goddess of the sunrise and the spring. She is the Teutonic goddess of the dawn. The direction of the sunrise, East, is named for her. In Norse mythology, the name is spelled Eostare. Another considered the Norse/Saxon goddess of spring is Ostara. Eastre is believed to be an ancient word for spring.


Anyway, that wasn't the issue or the question. :=)


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#375790 - 02/15/12 05:21 AM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: Alice]
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Originally Posted By: Alice
Since we know that the origins of 'Easter' are from a pagan word, and that 'Pascha' means Passover (thus being the appropriate word for the feast of the Resurrection as well as the word used in all other languages), does anyone here know if there is any movement or trend in other Christian faith traditions here in the United States to use the word 'Pascha/Pesach/Passover, etc.' instead of Easter'?


In at least one of Martin Luther's sermons he laments the lack of an appropriate word in the German language for translating Pascha. Since the English language has strong Germanic roots the same problems exist.

In 1978 the coalition publishing the Lutheran Book of Worship titled the Feast of feasts "The Resurrection of Our Lord: Easter Day"--as step away from merely "Easter"; although the succeeding Sundays were titled "Sundays of Easter" (I prefer the old English term "Eastertide", although "Paschaltide would be best!).

For well over a decade I have titled the booklet mailed to the parish containing all of the Lent and Holy Week materials "Pasch".

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#375797 - 02/15/12 12:54 PM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: Thomas the Seeker]
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Italian, i.e. Pasqua; French, i.e. Pâques; Greek, i.e.Πάσχα; Latin, Pascha; Romanian, i.e.Paşti and Dutch; i.e.Pasen all had no problem with this. I wonder why the Anglo-Saxon-Germanic languages failed to adopt or borrow the original from the Greek/Latin? Also some of the Slavs.....????

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#375798 - 02/15/12 12:55 PM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: Penthaetria]
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On the Julian Calendar, Pascha this year is April 2nd. On the Revised Julian Calendar it falls on the date designated as April 15th (NS or New Style.) Just thought I would confuse all!

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#375799 - 02/15/12 02:27 PM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: Alice]
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Originally Posted By: Alice
Anyway, that wasn't the issue or the question. :=)


To the original question then: I am blissfully unaware of any such initiative among Christians which would propose to cast aside such a venerable word and so doing threaten its cultural associations, our songs and literature, all in favour of something new based on the flimsy grounds that ancient pagans made bold to continue speaking after conversion, and that different languages tend, naturally enough, not to be the same.

Anyway based on the poor records of "croissant" and "polka" and "okay" I put little hope for any other single common word to unite humanity.

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#375803 - 02/15/12 04:08 PM Re: Julian Pascha [Re: Thomas the Seeker]
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Originally Posted By: Thomas the Seeker
Originally Posted By: Alice
Since we know that the origins of 'Easter' are from a pagan word, and that 'Pascha' means Passover (thus being the appropriate word for the feast of the Resurrection as well as the word used in all other languages), does anyone here know if there is any movement or trend in other Christian faith traditions here in the United States to use the word 'Pascha/Pesach/Passover, etc.' instead of Easter'?


In at least one of Martin Luther's sermons he laments the lack of an appropriate word in the German language for translating Pascha. Since the English language has strong Germanic roots the same problems exist.

In 1978 the coalition publishing the Lutheran Book of Worship titled the Feast of feasts "The Resurrection of Our Lord: Easter Day"--as step away from merely "Easter"; although the succeeding Sundays were titled "Sundays of Easter" (I prefer the old English term "Eastertide", although "Paschaltide would be best!).

For well over a decade I have titled the booklet mailed to the parish containing all of the Lent and Holy Week materials "Pasch".



Dear Pastor Thomas,

Thank you so much for your kind, interesting, and considerate post. :-)

Ofcourse I use the word 'Easter' most of the time, but within our parish boundaries, we are all being encouraged to not use it.

I like the 'Resurrection of our Lord-Easter day' from the Lutheran book of worship!

It is ofcourse just that-- and it is a nice way of being reminded of it in our culture which emphasizes chocolate bunnies way too much for the holy day! wink

(...and before anyone gets snarky with me, I love chocolate bunnies, and looked forward to the Easter bunny's goodies just like any other American child!)

Respectfully,
Alice

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