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#375856 - 02/16/12 06:49 AM Neo-Byzantine icons
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#375859 - 02/16/12 09:49 AM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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The first thought I had was "ugh...creepy" when I clicked on the link and saw them and then I read the "artist's" biography and found out that he is into witchcraft and the New Age. Initial impression confirmed!


Edited by Rybak (02/16/12 09:50 AM)

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#375860 - 02/16/12 11:04 AM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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Rybak,

I was perusing as well - where does it say that the artist is into New Age? Those titles he mentions are video games, not occult, unless I missed something.

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#375861 - 02/16/12 12:51 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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I think some of them are quite beautiful!

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#375862 - 02/16/12 01:39 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Penthaetria]
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Just a simple, "NO"

Kolya

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#375867 - 02/16/12 03:32 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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Some of the ones of Our Lord have blue eyes. Very uncanonical and some might say . . . worse.

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#375868 - 02/16/12 05:19 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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Like Alicia, I think that some are very beautiful. However, I find the face of Jesus in one or two to be downright disturbing to look out. He looks more like an evil practicer of the occult than the pure and beautiful Son of God...Kyrie Eleison! Think of the ethereal beauty of the most famous icon of Christ's face from the Haghia Sophia and then compare it to this one!

The dark video games he enjoys might explain this.

As for the blue eyes in and of themselves, that would not bother me...I recently watched a three hour movie CD from Greece about Elder Paissios of the Holy Mountain, (deceased 1993)--not yet glorified, but universally considered a Saint in the Greek Orthodox world, and many miracles are contributed to him since his death. Anyway, he once saw the Lord Jesus and he said that He had blue eyes and blondish hair.

In Greek Orthodoxy, blue eyes are often associated with purity and goodness.

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#375869 - 02/16/12 06:16 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Alice]
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Originally Posted By: Alice
In Greek Orthodoxy, blue eyes are often associated with purity and goodness.


Good to know, since I have blue eyes. grin I was kind of taken aback when I heard an iconography instructor say blue eyes in iconography is a sign of evil intent.

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#375872 - 02/16/12 07:09 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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Oh, my God! No!!! After I saw these paintings I immediatelly wanted to have a rest looking at real icons ... Why do you call these computer images icons? The are not at all! I recommend you to have a rest after this kitsch and have a look to real neo-byzantine icons - "theology in paint", created by one of the famous comprehensive iconographers Archimandrite Zinon http://www.cirota.ru/forum/view.php?subj=32581&fullview=1&order
http://bizantinum.livejournal.com/69392.html?thread=3291664
http://www.art-sobor.ru/archives/2069

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#375879 - 02/17/12 02:13 AM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Michael_Thoma]
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Michael,

I am of the opinion that being "into the occult or New Age" includes books, films, games, in fact willingly exposing oneself to any medium which glorifies Dark themes or Godless ideas. Call me "old fashioned" and I won't be offended at all.

I'm curious if others think it is harmless to enjoy/dabble in these things?

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#375882 - 02/17/12 04:14 AM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Pani Rose]
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I thought they were a bit odd. I also thought it a bit odd, that they were used for an iconostasis. I did find the way the wood was used for the crucifixes interesting.
Like Nataly said, I had to thank
God for the beautiful works the Lord has done down through the centuries through the hands and prayers of amazing iconographers.


Edited by Pani Rose (02/17/12 04:16 AM)

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#375888 - 02/17/12 03:05 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Rybak]
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Originally Posted By: Rybak
Michael,

I am of the opinion that being "into the occult or New Age" includes books, films, games, in fact willingly exposing oneself to any medium which glorifies Dark themes or Godless ideas. Call me "old fashioned" and I won't be offended at all.



Michael: I totally agree with you and I think that fascination he has with these dark themed games is reflected in one disturbing (atleast to me) portrait of Jesus.

Alice

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#375894 - 02/17/12 06:38 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Alice]
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These pictures on wood are not a theme to be discussed. The author is from Transylvania (Dracula's motherhood eek)... But if we want to discuss modern painting in Romania, here are the monumental frescoes of a young iconographer from romanian town of Horezu Gabriel Thomas Chituk
http://www.art-sobor.ru/archives/2495
Bright and emotional - welcome to Neo-Byzantium! smile

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#375900 - 02/17/12 08:33 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Nataly]
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Originally Posted By: Nataly
These pictures on wood are not a theme to be discussed.
The author is from Transylvania (Dracula's motherhood eek) ...
Are you saying that his work is unacceptable simply by virtue of his place of birth?

While I agree that some of the images have creepy eyes and I do not like the iconostasis, I stand by my original statement that some of these icons are quite beautiful. What can you possibly object to in these, for example?

http://www.divine-icons.com/0_md_episcopMARE.jpg
http://www.divine-icons.com/sf_nicolae.jpg
http://www.divine-icons.com/xcristpal.jpg

And I rather like that he uses raw pieces of wood, and not only rectangular blocks.

The art at the link you posted, Nataly, is quite stunning. Thank you for sharing it.

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#375942 - 02/18/12 03:56 PM Re: Neo-Byzantine icons [Re: Penthaetria]
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Originally Posted By: Penthaetria
Are you saying that his work is unacceptable simply by virtue of his place of birth?

No, of course, no! It was a joke! But the agressive message of these images remind us about the birthplace of the painter. grin I'm kidding one more time cool

These images are so far away from the spirituality of byzantine icons, that I wonder why they are discussed hier on the forum and also called Neo-byzantine icons? There were no images in the history of Byzantine art like these.
Have a look to the holy images http://www.ruicon.ru/arts-new/icons/7x3-dtl.php
God bless you!



Edited by Nataly (02/18/12 03:56 PM)

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