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#377669 - 03/16/12 11:08 AM Archbishop of Canterbury to resign
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this has just been confirmed on the BBC News Site

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Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams has announced he is to stand down in December.

He is stepping down and will take the position of Master of Magdalene College at the University of Cambridge from January 2013, his website says.......


BBC UK News

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#377673 - 03/16/12 12:44 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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He has had a hard time of it. Given the direction of the Anglican Communion, the choice of a replacement will be contentious and could lead to even more disasters.

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#377674 - 03/16/12 02:12 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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That is very sad. May God bless him. I wish him well.

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#377677 - 03/16/12 05:29 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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It's not sad at all. The Rev. Dr. Williams was and is a brilliant scholar and theologian, who was not temperamentally suited to be the primate of the fractious Anglican communion. He will no doubt be much more happy at University, and the CofE will be better off (assuming it can agree on a new archbishop who has the leadership skills and pastoral sensitivity that Dr. Williams lacked).

He's not the first brilliant scholar to decide being an Anglican bishop was not for him. N.T. Wright recently resigned as Bishop of Durham to return to his research.

I think both of them are following the example of St. Gregory Nanzianzen, who never wanted to be a bishop, was not happy as Archbishop of Constantinople, and who returned to his cell as soon as the Council of Constantinople was over.

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#377678 - 03/16/12 06:32 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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The ABC has sometimes been referred to, accurately and deridingly, as the "Druid-in-Chief" owing to the fact that he underwent some type of Druidic elevation quite quite literally on the eve of his consecration as the Archbishop.

So no real loss, although the Anglican Communion might endure far worse.

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#377680 - 03/16/12 08:14 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Thomas the Seeker]
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Originally Posted By: Thomas the Seeker
The ABC has sometimes been referred to, accurately and deridingly, as the "Druid-in-Chief" owing to the fact that he underwent some type of Druidic elevation quite quite literally on the eve of his consecration as the Archbishop.

So no real loss, although the Anglican Communion might endure far worse.


He is NOT a druid in the sense of the ancient pagans. He is a member of the order of Druids of the Gorsedd of Wales, which promotes literary scholarship, poetry, and music. Admission to the order of Druids is a recognition of contributions to Welsh culture.

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#377682 - 03/16/12 09:24 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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#377698 - 03/17/12 02:11 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Athanasius The L]
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Originally Posted By: Athanasius The L

He is NOT a druid in the sense of the ancient pagans. He is a member of the order of Druids of the Gorsedd of Wales, which promotes literary scholarship, poetry, and music. Admission to the order of Druids is a recognition of contributions to Welsh culture.


Yes, that jogged my memory--I believe that both the Welsh organization and he himself used the phrase "honorary Druid".

Nevertheless, the appearance of syncretism is less than appropriate. It would be as if I, whom am of Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry, were to be termed an "honorary pow-wower." ("Pow-wow" was and is a folk medecine/semi occultic practice among some of the Dutch)

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#377704 - 03/17/12 03:14 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Thomas the Seeker]
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Originally Posted By: Thomas the Seeker
Originally Posted By: Athanasius The L

He is NOT a druid in the sense of the ancient pagans. He is a member of the order of Druids of the Gorsedd of Wales, which promotes literary scholarship, poetry, and music. Admission to the order of Druids is a recognition of contributions to Welsh culture.


Yes, that jogged my memory--I believe that both the Welsh organization and he himself used the phrase "honorary Druid".

Nevertheless, the appearance of syncretism is less than appropriate. It would be as if I, whom am of Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry, were to be termed an "honorary pow-wower." ("Pow-wow" was and is a folk medecine/semi occultic practice among some of the Dutch)


Whatever. ISTM that people use this to make mountains out of mole-hills.

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#377707 - 03/17/12 05:13 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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Druid schmooid. He's an Anglican. Isn't that enough?

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#377760 - 03/19/12 03:16 AM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: StuartK]
Alice Offline
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Originally Posted By: StuartK
It's not sad at all. The Rev. Dr. Williams was and is a brilliant scholar and theologian, who was not temperamentally suited to be the primate of the fractious Anglican communion. He will no doubt be much more happy at University, and the CofE will be better off (assuming it can agree on a new archbishop who has the leadership skills and pastoral sensitivity that Dr. Williams lacked).

He's not the first brilliant scholar to decide being an Anglican bishop was not for him. N.T. Wright recently resigned as Bishop of Durham to return to his research.

I think both of them are following the example of St. Gregory Nanzianzen, who never wanted to be a bishop, was not happy as Archbishop of Constantinople, and who returned to his cell as soon as the Council of Constantinople was over.


Stuart,

Sometimes when one says something is 'so sad', one may be using it as a figure of speech in order to be polite; other times, one might mean that the loss of someone will be 'so sad' because they are referring to the feelings that the person's admirers and/or people who he/she inspired will feel about their loss...so there are ways I may have meant it which were contrary to how you took it!! wink smile

Never the less, your historical comparisons are well noted and interesting. smile

Best regards,
Alice

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#377770 - 03/19/12 01:09 PM Re: Archbishop of Canterbury to resign [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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Dear Alice,

I took it to mean you were sad for the Rev. Dr. Williams. I'm pretty sure he's not sad at all, but probably relieved. There are probably many in the Anglican communion sad to see him leave, though, and I gather that's what you meant.

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