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#379259 - 04/26/12 09:16 PM
Starting Point
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Having faith is a new thing for me. I'm still trying to figure it out. I feel the need to define it, to try to understand it and thus make the most out of it. I need to answer some questions to feel like I've systematically explored all aspects of this issue. Does that seem wrong? Shouldn't faith just BE, without the need for exploration? Does that insult God? Does it insult other people of faith? Perhaps it's just my nature... I always approach problems in a systematic way in order to solve them efficiently. The problem isn't having faith, but how my life is changing/will change because of it. Here are the questions I've come up with that I think I need to answer: 1. Why have faith now? 2. What does God mean to me? 3. Why Christianity? 4. Why Byzantine Catholicism? 5. Why do I feel anxiety? 6. What is the plan to explore my faith? 7. How do I utilize faith to improve my life and the lives of others? I started a blog to explore my new-found faith, if any of you are interested in reading and commenting. Your input is greatly appreciated! I've been attending my boyfriend's church with him on Sundays: St. Stephen's Byzantine Catholic Church I've been reading these books: Holy Bible, Study Bible, The Eastern Catholic Churches: An Introduction to Their Worship and Spirituality, The Byzantine Rite: A Short History, 101 Questions and Answers on Eastern Catholic Churches, Prayer of the Heart: The Contemplative Tradition of the Christian East This forum, of course, has been immensely informative! You are all so kind and helpful. Anything to add? Anything I missed? Am I going about this all wrong?
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#379273 - 04/26/12 11:12 PM
Re: Starting Point
[Re: Beginner's Mind]
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Word on the street is that my boyfriend's parish will soon be Don't hestitate. Start with the man who is there today. Change when it's necessary. The transfer might not happen and you waste valuable time and opportunity in the meantime. Bob
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#379290 - 04/27/12 09:38 AM
Re: Starting Point
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Soozey,
Just a couple comments. While I've never been to St Stephen's, Father James posts here occasionally (most recently when he was seeking some advice and comments on his new parish webpage - which I just looked at - and see he has done a terrific job with it). Although I've never met him personally, I am a definite admirer of the effort he has clearly placed into pastoring St Stephen's and St Mary's patishes.
As to your reading selection - some excellent choices! '101 Q&A' is by Deacon Ed Faulk, a member and Admin here and a good friend - it's an excellent intro to the Eastern Churches.
Mitred Archimandrite Robert Taft, SJ, is one of the foremost scholars of the Eastern Churches, Catholic and Orthodox, renowned internationally. Father George Maloney, of blessed memory, a Jesuit who translated to Orthodoxy late in life, was highly regarded in both Catholic and Orthodox circles. Sister Joan Roccasalvo, is likewise a highly regarded student of the East.
Many years,
Neil
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#379409 - 04/30/12 01:18 AM
Re: Starting Point
[Re: theophan]
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Don't hestitate. Start with the man who is there today. Change when it's necessary. The transfer might not happen and you waste valuable time and opportunity in the meantime.
Bob Thanks, Bob! I'm planning to give him a call soon.
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#379411 - 04/30/12 01:28 AM
Re: Starting Point
[Re: Irish Melkite]
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Father James posts here occasionally (most recently when he was seeking some advice and comments on his new parish webpage - which I just looked at - and see he has done a terrific job with it). Although I've never met him personally, I am a definite admirer of the effort he has clearly placed into pastoring St Stephen's and St Mary's patishes. Hi Neil, Interestingly, Father James mentioned something to me about this at church today! I was surprised and extremely honoured that he took the time to make me feel so welcome. He was very kind.  That sealed the deal for me. I don't care if I have to drive 30 minutes to get to St. Stephen's... It's my "Galilee," as Father described last week. Thank you for your kindness! -Soozey
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#379470 - 05/01/12 03:44 AM
Re: Starting Point
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Naturally, I am very partial to the description of faith as found in the preface to Luther's commentary on Romans:
Faith is not that human illusion and dream that some people think it is. When they hear and talk a lot about faith and yet see that no moral improvement and no good works result from it, they fall into error and say, "Faith is not enough. You must do works if you want to be virtuous and get to heaven." The result is that, when they hear the Gospel, they stumble and make for themselves with their own powers a concept in their hearts which says, "I believe." This concept they hold to be true faith. But since it is a human fabrication and thought and not an experience of the heart, it accomplishes nothing, and there follows no improvement.
Faith is a work of God in us, which changes us and brings us to birth anew from God (cf. John 1). It kills the old Adam, makes us completely different people in heart, mind, senses, and all our powers, and brings the Holy Spirit with it. What a living, creative, active powerful thing is faith! It is impossible that faith ever stop doing good. Faith doesn't ask whether good works are to be done, but, before it is asked, it has done them. It is always active. Whoever doesn't do such works is without faith; he gropes and searches about him for faith and good works but doesn't know what faith or good works are. Even so, he chatters on with a great many words about faith and good works.
Faith is a living, unshakeable confidence in God's grace; it is so certain, that someone would die a thousand times for it. This kind of trust in and knowledge of God's grace makes a person joyful, confident, and happy with regard to God and all creatures. This is what the Holy Spirit does by faith. Through faith, a person will do good to everyone without coercion, willingly and happily; he will serve everyone, suffer everything for the love and praise of God, who has shown him such grace. It is as impossible to separate works from faith as burning and shining from fire.
It is worth noting that hearing these paragraphs read at the London meetinghouse on Aldersgate street was the cause of Anglican Fr. John Wesley's experience of feeling his "heart strangely warmed"--the genesis of the Methodist movement. (May 24, 1738)
Edited by Thomas the Seeker (05/01/12 04:00 AM) Edit Reason: Additional information
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#379475 - 05/01/12 04:09 AM
Re: Starting Point
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It is worth noting that hearing these paragraphs read at the London meetinghouse on Aldersgate street was the cause of Anglican Fr. John Wesley's experience of feeling his "heart strangely warmed"--the genesis of the Methodist movement. (May 24, 1738)
Also noteworthy that this evening meeting occurred on the eve of Holy Pentecost. The liturgical date and the Luther quote are seldom mentioned in contemporary Methodism.
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#379493 - 05/01/12 03:51 PM
Re: Starting Point
[Re: Thomas the Seeker]
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I don't think anyone can argue with the essence of your quote from Luther. The only 'clarifications' I would make are the following (and please correct me if I am wrong on the Byzantine understanding [Apotheon or Stuart], or the Latin, or the Protestant): Faith is not that human illusion and dream that some people think it is. When they hear and talk a lot about faith and yet see that no moral improvement and no good works result from it, they fall into error and say, "Faith is not enough. You must do works if you want to be virtuous and get to heaven." The result is that, when they hear the Gospel, they stumble and make for themselves with their own powers a concept in their hearts which says, "I believe." This concept they hold to be true faith. But since it is a human fabrication and thought and not an experience of the heart, it accomplishes nothing, and there follows no improvement.
I think Catholics/Orthodox would contend that 'you must do good works' because acts of Love *charity* and Faith are inseparable. Faith is a work of God in us, which changes us and brings us to birth anew from God (cf. John 1). It kills the old Adam, makes us completely different people in heart, mind, senses, and all our powers, and brings the Holy Spirit with it. This seems like how Grace (as the Latin's say) or the 'Divine Energy energizing us' is defined, does it not? What a living, creative, active powerful thing is faith! It is impossible that faith ever stop doing good. Faith doesn't ask whether good works are to be done, but, before it is asked, it has done them. It is always active. Whoever doesn't do such works is without faith; he gropes and searches about him for faith and good works but doesn't know what faith or good works are. Even so, he chatters on with a great many words about faith and good works. Can't find a thing missing here! Luther states that Catholic and Orthodox teaching precisely! Faith is a living, unshakeable confidence in God's grace This is the definition of Hope, is it not? Through faith, a person will do good to everyone without coercion, willingly and happily; he will serve everyone, suffer everything for the love and praise of God, who has shown him such grace. It is as impossible to separate works from faith as burning and shining from fire. Amen!
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#379494 - 05/01/12 04:25 PM
Re: Starting Point
[Re: Michael_Thoma]
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I don't think anyone can argue with the essence of your quote from Luther. The only 'clarifications' I would make are the following (and please correct me if I am wrong on the Byzantine understanding [Apotheon or Stuart], or the Latin, or the Protestant): Faith is not that human illusion and dream that some people think it is. When they hear and talk a lot about faith and yet see that no moral improvement and no good works result from it, they fall into error and say, "Faith is not enough. You must do works if you want to be virtuous and get to heaven." The result is that, when they hear the Gospel, they stumble and make for themselves with their own powers a concept in their hearts which says, "I believe." This concept they hold to be true faith. But since it is a human fabrication and thought and not an experience of the heart, it accomplishes nothing, and there follows no improvement.
I think Catholics/Orthodox would contend that 'you must do good works' because acts of Love *charity* and Faith are inseparable. Aye--and that is why it is essential to read through to the end of the quote for this very important line: It is as impossible to separate works from faith as burning and shining from fire.
Luther is frequently misunderstood as being opposed to good works--nothing could be farther from the truth. He was opposed to anything--even belief itself--being used to earn God's grace. For Luther, good works are the sign of a living and active faith, the necessary response of a soul thankful for the unmerited grace received.
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#379505 - 05/01/12 10:46 PM
Re: Starting Point
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Welcome Soozey! As a convert from Southern Baptist, my life in Christ became so 3D  everything I had learned only gained/increased in knowledge and understanding. Love, graces, and God's mercy were multiplied in such amazing ways. Jesus, speaking to the Jews, said I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill/add to, what you have learned. My point here is you work in the. ER, your are studying to be a paramedic, it is clear you love people and adventure So does Jesus! In the walk with Jesus, it becomes an ever increasingly amazing adventure. Love increases by grace and mercy, some totally gifts from God, that never cease to be granted to us if we are willing to receive them. The Lord says numerous times: Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." Hebrews 4:7 For he is our God, And we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To-day, oh that ye would hear his voice, harden not your heart Ps. 95:7-8 So, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not not harden your hearts Hebrews 3:7-8 The Lord has a great adventure in store for you, so don't be afraid.
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