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#379925 - 05/13/12 12:27 AM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
[Re: Thomas the Seeker]
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Dr. Martin Luther must be spinning in his grave.
Edited by sielos ilgesys (05/13/12 12:27 AM)
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#379928 - 05/13/12 01:22 AM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
[Re: bkovacs]
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Where I live, eastern PA, most Lutheran (ELCA) so called pastors are women. So I personally consider them completely liberal Protestants. Not in the slightest Catholic or Orthodox. You must be in the territory of the Southeastern Pennsylvania Synod (Berks and Chester Counties eastward to the Delaware River)...very liberal female Bishop there, too. About the only orthodox Lutheran Pastor would be Mike Travella at Holy Trinity, Abingdon, and he and his flock departed for the North American Lutheran Church (NALC).
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#380523 - 05/25/12 10:43 AM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
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Where I live, eastern PA, most Lutheran (ELCA) so called pastors are women. So I personally consider them completely liberal Protestants. Not in the slightest Catholic or Orthodox. I'm no big fan of the ELCA, but there is one thing I can think of to say for them: they were the one Lutheran denomination in this country that signed the Joint Declaration with Rome. - Peter Jericho "Neither Moscow nor Rome will give us unity." +Lubomyr
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#380617 - 05/26/12 02:03 PM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
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I'm no big fan of the ELCA, but there is one thing I can think of to say for them: they were the one Lutheran denomination in this country that signed the Joint Declaration [JDDJ] with Rome.
The ELCA was (and continues to be) severely criticized by the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod for signing JDDJ. Rome did little to alleviate Missouri's concerns by anouncing the Millenium Jubilee indulgences while the ink was still drying. An interesting development is that a delegation from the one-year old North American Lutheran Church (NALC) was received by Pope Benedict--there is a picture on the NALC web site of their Presiding Bishop greeting the Pontiff. As Luther asks in his Catechism, "vat is das?" ("What does this mean?")
Edited by Thomas the Seeker (05/26/12 02:05 PM)
Edit Reason: remove unecessary quote
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#380635 - 05/26/12 09:08 PM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
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Last I looked, the Rhine flowed into the North Sea. Wittenberg is on the Elbe, and that flows into the Baltic.
Edited by StuartK (05/26/12 09:10 PM)
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#380636 - 05/26/12 09:12 PM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
[Re: StuartK]
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Last I looked, the Rhine flowed into the North Sea. Disallowed. All compass directions must be either East or West.
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#380639 - 05/26/12 11:32 PM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
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While the Elbe does flow north into the Baltic, the Rhine is definitely flowing west when it empties into the North Sea.
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#380653 - 05/27/12 01:49 AM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
[Re: Nelson Chase]
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Sounds like what many Anglo-Catholics say and believe.  There are many of us who self-designate as "evangelical catholics". Many can be found here: Society of the Holy Trinity
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#380690 - 05/28/12 12:48 PM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
[Re: StuartK]
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Last I looked, the Rhine flowed into the North Sea. Wittenberg is on the Elbe, and that flows into the Baltic. The original geographical allusion was the title of the book on Vatican II, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber ( link). It refers to the influence of (liberal Catholic) German bishops and their theological perspective on the direction and outcome of the Council, a movement of ideas influencing Rome, i.e. Catholicism. For the present topic it suitably refers to the movement of persons (Lutheran~"German", the Rhine) to Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
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#380695 - 05/28/12 03:17 PM
Re: Does the Rhine Flow into the Tiber, Bosphorus, or Both?
[Re: Adam DeVille]
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I think Lutheranism flows into the Baltic or the North Sea. Every day it has less and less in common with the great Apostolic Churches that, metaphorically, are marked by the Tiber or the Bosphorus.
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