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#380830 - 06/01/12 12:17 AM
In saecula saeculorum
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Just wondering what your favorite translation for this is.
It is biblical, taken from the Vulgate translation of the New Testament, rendering the Greek phrase "εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων". Latins have traditionally translated it as "world without end". I really dislike this because it has absolutely nothing in common with a literal translation.
As far as the East is concern, I have seen it written as "forever and forever" and as "to the ages of ages." I myself much prefer the latter primarily because it's a close literal translation and because the simplistic syllables make it easier to chant
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#380841 - 06/01/12 07:36 AM
Re: In saecula saeculorum
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Palaiologos,
Welcome to the forum. If I'm not mistaken, we had a very recent thread on this topic (the latest, I think, of several over the years). If I can locate it, I'll link it here (unfortunately, our search engine is not the forum's best feature).
Many years,
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#380873 - 06/02/12 11:54 AM
Re: In saecula saeculorum
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If I'm not mistaken, we had a very recent thread on this topic (the latest, I think, of several over the years). Yes, see: Unto ages of ages.
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#380905 - 06/02/12 08:45 PM
Re: In saecula saeculorum
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There's good theology here.
"Now and ever, and to the ages of ages."
"Now and ever" or "Now and forever" speaks until the end of the present age (this world). "Ages of ages" speaks of the next age, when we are with Christ. It's beyond forever.
At the end of the Symbol of Faith (the Creed) we say (or should say): "I look forward to the resurrection of the dead; and the life of the age to come. Amen." A quick look at a thesaurus will show forever as a synonym for eternity.
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#380906 - 06/02/12 08:50 PM
Re: In saecula saeculorum
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If I'm not mistaken, we had a very recent thread on this topic (the latest, I think, of several over the years). Yes, see: Unto ages of ages. Thanks, Deacon Tony. I was hoping someone would recollect and point the OP to it. Many years, Neil
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#380907 - 06/02/12 08:56 PM
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Never have I seen forever equated with the present age but here.
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