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#380975 - 06/04/12 05:38 AM
was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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An Anglican friend today asserted that for some period of history the Orthodox were willing to offer/receive to/from Anglicans. He said it was not a normal, but extraordinary sort of thing. Like a situation where one was unable to get to their regular Church and was in need. I told him that that didn't seem correct to me and that I wanted to find out more about it. I haven't found much...though these two links were interesting. One seems to be a document from the Romainian Orthodox in 1936 that seems to recognize that the Anglican Church indeed has valid apostolic succession. The second seems to be a chapter regarding discussions about intercommunion that went on in 1933, but I can't see where it implies that it ever was practiced or officially promoted. Orthodox Statements on Anglican Ordershttp://oxford.academia.edu/BrandonGallah..._24.2_2002_9-28I am curious what the history is and why Orthodox would have considered this knowing what I know (or think that I know) about their policy on it now even toward the Catholic Church.
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#380980 - 06/04/12 06:51 AM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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SE, You might also be interested in this book from a couple of years back Eastern Orthodox and Anglicans: Diplomacy, Theology, and the Politics of Interwar Ecumenism. (You can pick up a new copy for a bit less at abeBooks). A longer term historical overview, from the Anglican perspective, extending up to about 1920, can be read here. And, regarding interaction between the Orthodox Church and the Anglicans' daughter church in the US, the Episcopal Church, there was the attendance of Orthodox hierarchs at the consecration of an Episcopal bishop for the very High Church, very Anglo-Catholic, Episcopal Diocese of Fond-du-Lac, WI. That occasion resulted in the rather famous or infamous, depending on one's point of view, photograph, which - when seen by Low Church Episcopalians - caused the liturgical event to be dubbed "The Circus at Fond-du-Lac". And, lest I forget - a discussion and explanation at the Orthodox Christian Information Center (a site of which I'm not always enamored, but this piece is excellent) of the how and why of the relationship that briefly endured between the Episcopalians and Orthodox in the US during the tenure of St Raphael Hawaweeny - Bishop Raphael Hawaweeny on the Anglicans and Orthodox Baptism. Many years, Neil
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#381017 - 06/04/12 11:36 PM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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You can find the whole history chronicled here. Interestingly, the Nonjurors approached Moscow for recognition, but were rebuffed when their Orthodox correspondent was made aware of their ecclesiastical situation. One final point worth considering may be the fact that for many years, the Lebanese community in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, attended with all due permission, the Anglican pro-cathedral there, until such time as they got an Antiochene church of their own in 1995 (ish).
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#381457 - 06/13/12 01:24 AM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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That provision was withdrawn when it became apparent that the Episcopal Church would ordain female Presbyters. Quite right. Worth noting the 1978 statement of Patriarch Athenagoras: “…the theological dialogue [between the Orthodox and the Anglicans] will continue, although now simply as an academic and informative exercise, and no longer as an ecclesial endeavor aiming at the union of the two churches.”
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#381462 - 06/13/12 02:14 AM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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I think, besides woman's ordination, reunion with the Anglicans is impossible until Anglicans figure out just what do Anglicans believe. (the spectrum can run from Calvinist to Anglo-papal or Anglo-Orthodox to classical Anglo-Catholic and includes all sorts of other ways to be Anglican)
Which is one reason why the ACNA is in serious conversation with some Lutherans regarding forming a Lutheran Diocese. Archbishop Duncan has made it very clear that he regards the Book of Concord as a treasure which they would very much like to receive and embrace. The Lutheran Diocese would have the Unaltered Augsburg Confession and other confessional writings in its statement of faith, along with acknowledgement of the 39 Articles.
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#381464 - 06/13/12 02:46 AM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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The Antiochians have a Western Rite - Book of Common Prayer modified to be theologically correct with Orthodox. You're kidding. Wow, just when you thought you'd heard everything. There is an Antiochian Orthodox church near Niagara Falls that's on my to-do list. So when I go, I can expect to encounter a liturgy with all the trappings of the Orthodox Church, iconostasis and all, while hearing the words of the Episcopalian Holy Communion service chanted? Well...won't that be something.
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#381466 - 06/13/12 03:22 AM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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The Antiochians have a Western Rite - Book of Common Prayer modified to be theologically correct with Orthodox. You're kidding. Wow, just when you thought you'd heard everything. There is an Antiochian Orthodox church near Niagara Falls that's on my to-do list. So when I go, I can expect to encounter a liturgy with all the trappings of the Orthodox Church, iconostasis and all, while hearing the words of the Episcopalian Holy Communion service chanted? Well...won't that be something. Not necessarily. Check here; Antiochian.org/Western Rite
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#381474 - 06/13/12 12:41 PM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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The Antiochians have a Western Rite - Book of Common Prayer modified to be theologically correct with Orthodox. You're kidding. Wow, just when you thought you'd heard everything. There is an Antiochian Orthodox church near Niagara Falls that's on my to-do list. So when I go, I can expect to encounter a liturgy with all the trappings of the Orthodox Church, iconostasis and all, while hearing the words of the Episcopalian Holy Communion service chanted? Well...won't that be something. I think you mis-read haydukovich. Note he said that "The Antiochians have a Western Rite".
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#381494 - 06/13/12 05:25 PM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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Before the lifting of the mutual 'anathemas' which painfully separated the Roman Catholic church from the Orthodox in every way, Greek Orthodox faithful (can't speak for other jurisdictions) were told that if there was no Orthodox church around, (and in those days there weren't many at all) that they could worship in the Episcopalian church.
Because the tradition at that time was to partake of the Eucharist rarely, there was no fear of 'intercommunion' taking place. Is this available online?
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#381497 - 06/13/12 06:18 PM
Re: was there ever Orthodox intercommunion w/ Anglican?
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Before the lifting of the mutual 'anathemas' which painfully separated the Roman Catholic church from the Orthodox in every way, Greek Orthodox faithful (can't speak for other jurisdictions) were told that if there was no Orthodox church around, (and in those days there weren't many at all) that they could worship in the Episcopalian church.
Because the tradition at that time was to partake of the Eucharist rarely, there was no fear of 'intercommunion' taking place. Is this available online? Don't know...got it from my mother who grew up in this country at that time and her personal experience and recollections.
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