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Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William #382238 06/28/12 12:35 PM
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I have been credibly informed that at tomorrow's ceremony, the Holy Father will present the omophorion of the Eastern Church to Metr. William instead of the Latin Church pallium.

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382242 06/28/12 01:37 PM
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Wouldn't that be interesting ...

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382245 06/28/12 02:01 PM
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What's this in aid of? The Metropolitan (Axios!) received one on the day of his episcopal consecration. May I suggest as an alternative that the pope say to me, "You have YOUR lung, now breathe FREELY with it!"

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382247 06/28/12 02:25 PM
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While I feel strongly about the ongoing need for our Churches o be recognized by Rome as equal and not subservient, might I suggest an alternative to kvetching at news such as this. Instead, we might jot down, remember, and celebrate each act which manages to demonstrate a bit more enlightenment on Rome's part. Enough such acts and we'll get to where we ought to be.

Slowly, surely, baby steps, but God has not given us to expect that things will always be easy.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: Irish Melkite] #382251 06/28/12 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
While I feel strongly about the ongoing need for our Churches o be recognized by Rome as equal and not subservient, might I suggest an alternative to kvetching at news such as this. Instead, we might jot down, remember, and celebrate each act which manages to demonstrate a bit more enlightenment on Rome's part. Enough such acts and we'll get to where we ought to be.


Neil and friends, FWIW I could not agree more. I would see this as one of those cherished "baby steps", and do hope it inches us forward in our Communion.

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: Curious Joe] #382258 06/28/12 04:13 PM
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Dear friends:

Considering that the Pallium is actually a relic of the Apostle Peter it should be regarded with some reverence.

It is of course also a visible sign of the communion of faith between the Pope of Rome and Archbishops and Metropolitans.

In the beginning all that was required was that the Archbishop or Metropolitan formally request the Pallium from Rome and it was sent to them upon their installations.

It was rarely imposed personally by the Pope in Rome.

It was unfortunate that recent Popes decided to transform it into some kind of object of submission.

I understand that Pope Benedict has been trying to change that.

I regard the fact that the Pope has now determined to give Eastern Hierarchs a Pallium more in keeping with their liturgical dress to be a great advancement.

I hope everyone sees it as such.


Let’s hope the submission aspects are eventually done away with.


Sincerely
José


Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382271 06/28/12 09:06 PM
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I suggest that everyone hold their opinions until you see it. It will be broadcast on EWTN at 3:00 AM and again at 5:30 pm on Friday, June 29, Feast of Saints Peter and Paul. The times stated are Eastern.

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382293 06/29/12 06:42 AM
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Have previous Metropolitans received the omophorian from the pope?

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382295 06/29/12 07:34 AM
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THEY DID! THEY DID!

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Originally Posted by Pani Rose
THEY DID! THEY DID!


They did, indeed! (although I relied on my DVR to catch it - hope you got some rest afterward, Pani Rose!)

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Looks a lot swankier than a pallium, however much respect and reverence they deserve...I wonder what metropolitan-archbishops do if they lose or misplace their pallium...

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Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: ag_vn] #382313 06/29/12 04:42 PM
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Thanks for posting these still photos. I thought the second one was particularly striking.

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382318 06/29/12 05:20 PM
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I hope it came with a receipt so he can return it.

Re: Pope Benedict's gift to Metr. William [Re: sielos ilgesys] #382322 06/29/12 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ot'ets Nastoiatel'
What's this in aid of? The Metropolitan (Axios!) received one on the day of his episcopal consecration.


You are right.
However a ceremony of imposition of a new omophorion was necessary because, according to the Ukrainan uses, the bars in the bottom of such vestment had passed from three to four bars, to shown the new role of metropolitan

(At least so I suppose, the images are not clear on this particular)

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