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#382759 - 07/10/12 11:39 PM
Re: Episcopal Church USA Meltdown Continues
[Re: Sbdn. John]
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I read that ECUSA is going to sell its New York headquarters. They don't have the money to keep it functioning.
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#382802 - 07/12/12 03:17 PM
Re: Episcopal Church USA Meltdown Continues
[Re: Otsheylnik]
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Such shenanigans on the part of any sui juris Catholic Church would have the effect of invalidity of the sacrament of Matrimony - at least for a same-sex "marriage".
I suspicion the Pope of Rome wouldn't cotten to that. Nor do I think any sui juris Catholic Church is gonna "cut up" in such a fashion.
Edited by sielos ilgesys (07/12/12 03:19 PM)
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#382809 - 07/12/12 10:52 PM
Re: Episcopal Church USA Meltdown Continues
[Re: sielos ilgesys]
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Such shenanigans on the part of any sui juris Catholic Church would have the effect of invalidity of the sacrament of Matrimony - at least for a same-sex "marriage".
I suspicion the Pope of Rome wouldn't cotten to that. Nor do I think any sui juris Catholic Church is gonna "cut up" in such a fashion. Well clearly a same sex marriage would be invalid, but I don't buy that it would invalidate a heterosexual marriage performed by the same priest if the Church had true sacraments. If the Church is a true Church, it doesn't stop being one if it happens to be filled with crazy people. If it isn't a true church, it's sacraments were invalid anyway.
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#382811 - 07/13/12 12:22 AM
Re: Episcopal Church USA Meltdown Continues
[Re: Otsheylnik]
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Hey, guess what! Sing hallelujah! Clap your hands and shout for joy!
"Church" is FOR crazy people. I reckon one's particular crazitude is subject to evaluation or moderation by someone...some manifestations of it are downright dangerous and constitute a menace to the point of lethality.
The most neurotic people I know all go to church on a regular basis - yours truly included. Just think how bad we'd be if we DIDN'T go.
BTW, lotsa more or less "false" churches have valid sacraments. At least most of the time.
If I were an engineer and it were possible, I'd invent the "validometer". It would be a device you could aim in the direction of a putative sacramental celebration and it would have a light on it that would go green if the celebration were valid and red if it weren't.
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#382819 - 07/13/12 12:28 PM
Re: Episcopal Church USA Meltdown Continues
[Re: Otsheylnik]
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Oh, but didn't I mis-speak myself! Of course you're correct: churches "blessing" same-sex unions could - and probably would - continue having valid heterosexual marriages. It doesn't take much for validly baptised Christians to enter into the Sacrament of Matrimony. And non-baptised people enter valid non-sacramental marriages all the time.
Now what strikes me as bizarre about this is: Catholic praxis asserts that baptised non-Catholic Christians can receive the Sacrament of Matrimony UNAWARES.
But this is getting off-topic...
Edited by sielos ilgesys (07/13/12 12:30 PM)
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#383052 - 07/19/12 07:37 AM
Re: Episcopal Church USA Meltdown Continues
[Re: haydukovich]
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Same Sex Union in a church claiming apostolic succession = RED
Anglicans and Episcopals fleeing a radically left church hierarchy in favor of Orthodoxy = GREEN
Pope blessing Married Anglican Priests as Catholic Priests while ignoring Married Eastern Catholic men as possible candidates = RED
People in the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox tradition holding onto their traditions and being VOCAL about it = GREEN LIKE!
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