I should know this .... but

Is the Byzantine Catholic Calendar of the FIXED Feast days exactly the same as the Orthodox (not taking into account the Julian vs Gregorian calendar?

Anyone know the details about how the feast days differ between the two (or more) and the calendars?

Particularly with regard to the Dormition Fast and the Start of the Church year.

The way I am seeing this is that we are orthodox (little o) in calendars except for the selection of Pascha - is this true?

From what I'm experiencing - through attending Orthodox vespers, and Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy, they more or less follow the same Feast days. The vesper, before the liturgy, they had done a vesper for saint procopius, and then the liturgy covered the same person. The same can be said, for St. Mary Magdalene. Keep in mind, the Orthodox church I've been going to for vespers is under OCA

The Menaion differs among the various Orthodox Churches. Though the fixed feasts of Christ, the Theotokos and the major (universal) saints are the same across jurisdictions, the feasts of the saints particular to a specific Church will vary, and when there are multiple overlapping feasts, the Typicon of a particular Church will determine which has priority and how it will be recognized.

StuartK,

Who determines the Typicon of a particular church - is it Eparchy Wide or Parish specific

If parish specific - what sets a typicon - especially changes

Is it done by a proclamation from a Parish Priest or the Bishop without a Synodal type meeting or discussion?

Just very curious

Sometimes even the liturgies seem to be "What the Parish Priest LIKES" nowadays almost no consideration for Tradition.

JOhn

Hi haydukovich. I'm trying to understand what you mean by "orthodox (little o) in calendars". Do you regard the other calendar as heterodox?

Heterodox= as in anything not Orthodox.
or
Heterodox= any opinions or doctrines at variance with an official or "orthodox" position

or

Strawman=exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument,

not trying to argue or create controversy (God knows I've done that enought on this forum.

This was a legitimate question about the origin and method of calendars of the church year. I would like to know how they are determined (since I've been following one or the other all my life without questioning it)

Little O refers to the fact that "Greek Catholics" or "Byzantine Catholics" are not Orthodox (SCOBA orthodox?) (or whatever that really means) or in other words not Greek Orthodox Church or OCA or Serbian Orthodox Church or Coptic but that we practice the Orthodox traditions especially in regard to the Fixed Feast Days.

I was also not trying to imply that we are better or worse.
or that anyone else is better or worse.

Take a serious look at the definition of "Orthodox" what does it mean to call yourself Orthodox if you simply practice an Apostolic succession but not a spiritual succession - what I found when I investigated ORTHODOXY is excommunications and ethnicity and Old Calendarists a free for all

And I am not even saying who is wrong or right about all that!

I will say that man has a tendency to take something very beautiful from God and muck it all up so that we have excommunications and "issues" all over the place.

So now I have my strawman!

Haydukovich, I was not implying that you were trying to create controversy. And yes it was a legitimate question. You did not bring up the word Hedrodox.

The Typicon differences are pretty diverse, yet there is some continuity in them with the older saints. That just goes with the development of the local church throughout the centuries. The older saints being from the Typicon brought to the new lands.

Following the Russian Typicon under the Omnifor of Greek Bishops, in my church, there has never been a problem. It also helps when you follow what 75% of the Orthodox world follows in the calender.

And as an Orthodox Christian it is not uncommon to refer to anyone that is not Orthodox as Hederodox. It is not derogatory, simply a classification.

kind of like the term Uniate --- could be intrepreted as either good or bad depending on your perspective

thank you for the clarification i automatically assume emotional connotations around these words and it makes ... more need for introspection and growth on my part

I love this forum - I grow more from this than almost anything because it forces me to really look at "issues"