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#384032 - 08/08/12 03:40 PM
Re: Vesperal anointing?
[Re: JBenedict]
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Registered: 06/25/12
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Loc: Oregon, USA
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Thinking about the Apostle's Creed recited in the Rosary, and the Roman Nicene Creed, including the filioque, makes me wonder why can't they adjust the translation to make things appear less contradictory.
Apostle's Creed: "conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary."
Nicene: "...The Lord, giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, and the Son..." I just remember past discussions discussing a loss in translation from the Latin, into English, so why not adjust the translation to include, "Proceeds from the father, by way of the son? JMHO. These are two different parts of the Creeds. The part of the Apostles' Creed you are referring to (in the Catechism translation): "He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary." This corresponds with the following part of the Nicene Creed (Byzantine Catholic Church translation): "For us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven and was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man." The part of the Apostles' creed that is expanded to the discussion of procession in the Nicene Creed says simply: " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church..." So I don't see the apparent contradiction between the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed. Thanks for the clarification, JBenedict. The clause (in the Roman version of the Nicene Creed) "By the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary..." just dawned on me, as I read your points 
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#384091 - 08/09/12 02:52 PM
Re: Vesperal anointing?
[Re: Erie Byz]
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Registered: 05/20/12
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Loc: New York
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That was my parish while I lived in Buffalo. Fr. Moreno and his family were very good to us. It is by far the most faithful to tradition UGCC parish in the Buffalo region. Just like all parishes there will be Latin elements such as talking about the Rosary, references to Latin scholars, etc... but they are not overtaking the tradition.
Fr. Moreno places the Aer over his shoulder when carrying the gifts during the Great Entrance.
If you have the opportunity take some time and talk to the cantors, most of them are his family (wife and daughters) or talk to him, although he often has to run out afterwards.
peace,
ed
Ed: Father Moreno actually approached me before the Vespers service, introduced himself, and welcomed me. He was even kind enough to mark the pages in the service book for me so that I might follow along the more easily. In fact, when we processed to the vestibule for that part of the service, he noticed I had lost my place and kindly pointed out where in the book everyone else was. I was very appreciative of his kindness. I imagined the acolytes and at least one of the cantors were his children on account of the family resemblance. I really enjoyed the "authenticity" of his church and I plan to return again this Sunday.
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#384092 - 08/09/12 02:59 PM
Re: Vesperal anointing?
[Re: Otsheylnik]
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Registered: 05/20/12
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Loc: New York
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Just wondering, why is the creed being said at vespers? It's not part of the service as far as I know. No, no. Sorry for the confusion. As I mentioned, I attended Vespers the evening before the Transfiguration and then returned, the following evening, for the Divine Liturgy for the Transfiguration. The Creed was, of course, said at the Divine Liturgy, not at Vespers.
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#384147 - 08/09/12 11:21 PM
Re: Vesperal anointing?
[Re: Roman Interloper]
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Registered: 01/19/06
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Loc: Australia
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Just wondering, why is the creed being said at vespers? It's not part of the service as far as I know. No, no. Sorry for the confusion. As I mentioned, I attended Vespers the evening before the Transfiguration and then returned, the following evening, for the Divine Liturgy for the Transfiguration. The Creed was, of course, said at the Divine Liturgy, not at Vespers. Ah, I see. Yes, I was wondering.
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