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#384066 - 08/08/12 11:33 PM Sign of The Afterlife?
haydukovich Offline
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My mother died in July.

I went through a very holy (both sad and uplifting) grieving / funeral process.

She was a very average but holy Catholic Servant of God.

The next day after she died - the most beautiful rainbow you have ever seen appear arching across the entire sky in a full circle (never ever seen anything as brilliant or as colorful)

Was this a desperate man wanting a natural event to give him hope of Eternal Life and a message from my Mother?

Or was this a sign from my Mother -

My mother was an amateur painter - she was quite good and she loved colors - it was decided that day by all who witnessed the rainbow (12 or 13 people) that it was definitely a sign from God or my mother or both.

She paints much faster in Heaven!

Is this superstitious? - anyone believe in these things?
Is it antithetical to Orthodox Theology?

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#384074 - 08/09/12 03:36 AM Re: Sign of The Afterlife? [Re: haydukovich]
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I am so sorry for your loss, dear friend.

I don't have an answer to your question, but I do know that Orthodox theology firmly believes that the soul is still around us in this dimension/earth for 40 days. Many have felt the souls of their loved ones during this period in various ways.

I remember when my grandmother died, who was very close to me and to my then toddler son...He was only 4 years old, but he said that he had a dream where 'yiayia' came to his bed and kissed him 'good bye'.

If you felt the rainbow was a sign from your mom, and it comforted you, then that is all that matters, isn't it? Only you know what you felt.

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#384348 - 08/13/12 11:53 PM Re: Sign of The Afterlife? [Re: haydukovich]
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There's an interesting phenomenon that I've been told of time and again in my practice that is akin to what you relate.

Time and again people tell me that their newly departed relative has talked in a last illness of seeing someone long dead coming to visit them. Usually it is someone that the departed has known or has had a special relationship with. People usually tell me that at the time they dismiss these stories as coming from someone who is becoming a little confused because of the illness, medication, or some other reason. But after the death they begin to talk about these things and wonder.

Does the world to come open somehow slightly in these situations and is someone whom we know well sent to call us home?

Bob

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#384354 - 08/14/12 12:46 AM Re: Sign of The Afterlife? [Re: Alice]
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Alice, where does the 40 day teaching come from? I have been wondering. Do you have a source? Thank you.

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#384379 - 08/14/12 02:43 PM Re: Sign of The Afterlife? [Re: haydukovich]
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This is from St. John Maximovitch:

(There is some difference between Greek and Russian customs as to the number of days, but here is one source)

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3] Here, St. John is simply repeating a teaching common to the Church. St. Macarius Of Alexandria (having received the teaching not from men but from an angel) explains: "When
an offering (i.e., the Eucharist) is made in Church on the third day, the soul of the departed receives from its guardian angel relief from the sorrow it feels as a result of the separation from the body.

In the course of two days the soul is permitted to roam the earth, wherever it wills, in the company of the angels that are with it. Therefore, the soul loving the body, sometimes wanders about the house in which its body has been laid out, and thus spends two days like a bird seeking its nest.
But the virtuous soul goes about those places in which it was wont to do good deeds.


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Forty Days After

Why do Orthodox pray for a deceased person forty days after their death?

St. Macarius of Alexandria is alleged to have written an apocryphal homily on the reason why Memorial Services or Panahidas are customarily celebrated on the 3rd, 9th and 40th day after a death.

St. Macarius asked an Angel who accompanied him the reason for services on these days, on the anniversaries of the name-day, and day of death of a person. This is what the angel told him:

On the third day when the body is brought to the Church, the dead person receives from his Guardian Angel relief from the grief which he may have felt at parting from his body. He receives this because of the prayers of oblation and praise which are offered for him and there arises in him a blessed hope. For during the past two days his soul was permitted to wander over the earth with angels accompanying it. Since the soul loved its body, it sometimes hovered around the place where it had parted from the body, and other times it was around the coffin where its body had been placed. In this way, it passed those few days like a bird which looks for its nesting-place. Some souls wander through those places where at one time it did deeds of righteousness and good.

Jesus, who rose from the dead, commanded that on the third day every soul shall be brought to heaven, in imitation of His own Resurrection, that it may do reverence to God. This is why the Church has the blessed custom of celebrating oblation and prayers on the third day.

After the soul has done reverence to God, it is shown the places where the saints lived and the beauty of Paradise. The soul sees these during the 3rd to the 9th day and it glorifies God, the Creator. When the soul has seen all these things, it changes and it forgets all the sorrows which it felt in the body. But if it is guilty of sin it begins to wail and reproach itself for passing its time on earth in a heedless way and not obeying God so that it could have these same glories and graces. After seeing the joys of the just for these six days, the Angels lead the soul to God again. Therefore the Church does well to celebrate a service and oblation for the soul on the ninth day.

After this second reverence to God, He commands that the soul be taken to hell and shown the places of torment, the different divisions of hell and the various torments of the ungodly which causes the souls of sinners to groan continually and to gnash their teeth. Various places of torment are visited for thirty days and the soul trembles fearing that it will be condemned to live there.

On the fortieth day, the soul is again taken to do reverence to God and then the Judge determines the right place of its incarceration according to its deeds. This is the reason why the Church does right in making mention on the fortieth day of its baptized dead.

We can readily see that the reason for the Memorial Service or Panahida on the third, ninth and fortieth day is because the souls are brought before God on these days. Having services on the fortieth day is especially important because the soul is brought for judgment at that time.




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#384417 - 08/14/12 10:45 PM Re: Sign of The Afterlife? [Re: Alice]
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Alice, thank you!

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