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Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: 8IronBob] #390674 02/07/13 05:32 PM
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Actually in the Greek tradition, Presanctified is served on Wednesdays of Great Lent, and Salutations to the Theotokos on Fridays.

On the first four Fridays of Lent, according to the current Constantinopolitan prac­tice, we chant the Service of the Salutations to the Theotokos at Small Compline. In the evening, we read Small Compline through the Creed, and then chant the Canon of the Akathist in its entirety, in each ode doing six troparia, including the eirmos as indicated:



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Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: 8IronBob] #390687 02/07/13 08:49 PM
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Ah, all right. I was going by the schedule that Holy Spirit Parish here in Parma was using for the Presanctified DLs. Although since the priest (Fr. James Batcha) runs two different parishes, that could be a bit of confusion in which Presanctified DL is held where, when. Let's hope he will clear things up about it come this Sunday's DL, and during the spaghetti luncheon afterwards.

Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: 8IronBob] #390783 02/09/13 06:08 PM
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Tell me about Sat Vespers and Sunday Divine Liturgy

Sat Vespers is done in presanctified mode - DL Not - right?

Why is the Sat (sun) Vespers not done in a more festive melody vs presanctified.

The question could also be stated like

When do you do Presanctified melody (Mon -> Sat?) vs festive melody (Sun?)

Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: 8IronBob] #390785 02/09/13 06:11 PM
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I especially want to know this as far as READER SERVICES OF THE HOROS ...

If you conduct a reader service as Reader - IS IT DONE IN THE PRESANCTIFIED LITURGY MODE - without of course consecration etc.

This question is for all the hours

Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: haydukovich] #390786 02/09/13 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by haydukovich
Sat Vespers is done in presanctified mode - DL Not - right?


Wrong. Sat Vespers is done as normal.


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Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: haydukovich] #390787 02/09/13 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by haydukovich
I especially want to know this as far as READER SERVICES OF THE HOROS ...

If you conduct a reader service as Reader - IS IT DONE IN THE PRESANCTIFIED LITURGY MODE - without of course consecration etc.

This question is for all the hours


The Hours are chanted recto tono as always.


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Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #390836 02/10/13 11:15 PM
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Thank you Deacon Lance ...

Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: 8IronBob] #390837 02/10/13 11:19 PM
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So the next questions about Presanctified Liturgies is

Can they be celebrated Mon Tue Wed Th Fr?

Are they ever in our modern world of busy people?

Are Divine Liturgies celebrated DAILY - anywhere? Why not?


Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: 8IronBob] #390846 02/11/13 02:16 AM
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Well, just got the schedules of Presanctified Liturgies from Holy Spirit Parish and from St. John the Baptist Cathedral. It seems like Holy Spirit Parish is holding their first one tomorrow, but throughout the Great Fast, it appears Fr. James Batcha will be holding weekly Presanctified Liturgies Wednesdays at St. Nicholas Parish outside of downtown Cleveland, and Fridays at Holy Spirit Parish.

St. John the Baptist Cathedral will be holding Presanctified Liturgies on Wednesdays and Fridays. I suppose the thumb rule, on days of abstinence, these are the nights in which these are held. Not sure if it was set up that way in the Eparchy of Parma, but it seems to work.

Re: Presanctified Liturgies and their importance in the Great Fast [Re: haydukovich] #390848 02/11/13 02:16 AM
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I don't know of any jurisdiction that allows them outside the days I posted. In Greek practice it is common to only have Presantified on Wed night and doing Compline with Akathist Fri night.

Divine Liturgy is forbidden Mon-Fri of the Great Fast, Annunciation excepted. Outside of Lent, probably only in monasteries.


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