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Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) #391131 02/15/13 05:50 AM
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
I have a poll of sorts regarding the Presanctified Liturgy--in the Greek Traditions, I have seen the celebrant places a (chalice?) veil over his head as he processes with the precious and holy Eucharist during the Great Entrance.


So I was wondering....

Do some Slavic traditions also keep this practice of the priest processing with head veiled?

Is it easy to differentiate based on countries of origin (Russian vs. Ukrainian vs. Ruthenian vs. Serbian vs. x?) etc?

Thanks,
JAD

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391185 02/16/13 08:21 PM
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Let me state the poll more clearly:

At a presanctified liturgy, have you seen the priest make the great entrance with the holy gifts with his head covered, or uncovered?

In either cases, please state the jurisdiction/tradition.



Thanks,
JAD

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Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391190 02/16/13 09:12 PM
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I have only attended this service a few times in the Bulgarian Orthodox Church and the last time was several years ago. As long as I remember the priest had his head covered. From what I found on the internet they do:
http://www.bg-patriarshia.bg/image.php?src=http://new.sliven.net/res/news/63891/DSC06064.JPG
http://bg-patriarshia.bg/image.php?src=http://new.sliven.net/res/news/62358/IMG_4970.JPG
http://www.bg-patriarshia.bg/image.php?src=http://new.sliven.net/res/news/43424/IMG_3278.jpg

I am not sure how it is served in the Bulgarian Byzantine Catholic Church, but it is prescribed only for Holy Wednesday on their calendar. I think they have normal liturgies during the Great Lent.

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391223 02/17/13 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by j.a.deane
At a presanctified liturgy, have you seen the priest make the great entrance with the holy gifts with his head covered, or uncovered?


No, I haven't. smile All I see is the floor on which my face is prostrated.

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391224 02/17/13 10:48 PM
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Yeah. At the point where we sing the Now the Powers, we do kneel and prostrate at that time, so we can't really see anything like that. Although I don't think the Ruthenian tradition has veiled priests. This sounds like an Oriental Catholic tradition.

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391227 02/17/13 10:57 PM
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My priest covers his head...(Greek Orthodox)

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391228 02/18/13 12:03 AM
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Our priest covers his head. (Byzantine Catholic, Passaic Eparchy - Ruthenian)

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Our priest does not cover his head. (Ruthenian)

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391279 02/19/13 03:23 AM
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Haven't seen neither the priest nor the deacons covering their heads (St. John the Baptist Cathedral, Eparchy of Parma, Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church). I'll have to see if Fr. James Batcha does this when I head to Holy Spirit this Friday evening (he's at his other parish (St. Nicholas Croatian Byzantine Church) on Wednesdays, which is in the downtown area).

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391288 02/19/13 08:13 AM
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They should most definitely cover their heads with the Aer
according to most Rubrics I've read

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Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: haydukovich] #391298 02/19/13 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by haydukovich
They should most definitely cover their heads with the Aer
according to most Rubrics I've read
Whose/what rubrics for instance?

Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: haydukovich] #391315 02/19/13 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by haydukovich
They should most definitely cover their heads with the Aer
according to most Rubrics I've read


It is not prescribed in the Ruthenian Ordo.


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Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: j.a.deane] #391371 02/21/13 03:46 AM
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Well ... The Serbs do it ... it seems normal ...

do you really want me to make a list?

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Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: haydukovich] #391376 02/21/13 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by haydukovich
Well ... The Serbs do it ... it seems normal ...

do you really want me to make a list?


No. It doesn't matter who does it. It is not prescribed in the Ruthenian Ordo. If Ruthenians start doing everything everyone else does and not following their own books there will soon be no Ruthenian Recension.


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Re: Presanctified Entrance in the Slavic Tradition(s) [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #391383 02/21/13 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
Originally Posted by haydukovich
Well ... The Serbs do it ... it seems normal ...

do you really want me to make a list?


No. It doesn't matter who does it. It is not prescribed in the Ruthenian Ordo. If Ruthenians start doing everything everyone else does and not following their own books there will soon be no Ruthenian Recension.
WOW! WOW!^2 WOW!^n where n → ∞
(Yes, a bit exuberant, but the point is, well said. My context is the RDL and its woeful lack of adherence to the stated principle, among other things.)

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