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ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? #396664 07/12/13 07:56 PM
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Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396674 07/12/13 09:55 PM
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Well, that's a disappointment and shame.

What's this?
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To address an epistle to the clergymen and communities of the Western Rite regarding the need for them to adopt the order of divine services of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, while preserving, when necessary, certain particularities of the Western Rite.

If you are switching to Eastern rite, what "particularities of the Western rite" are you supposed to bring with.

I wonder, can they be released to Antioch?

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396677 07/13/13 03:48 AM
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The announcement as it is on the official website

Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Our Lady's slave] #396687 07/13/13 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
The announcement as it is on the official website

Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia


This seems interesting, but I am not familiar with the circumstances.

Can someone break down the background of this, and what is important to understand about it?

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396690 07/13/13 01:04 PM
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I always wondered what was the point of a western rite. If they wanted to be Orthodox, then be it.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396692 07/13/13 02:29 PM
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This is terrible news.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396693 07/13/13 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by chadrook
I always wondered what was the point of a western rite. If they wanted to be Orthodox, then be it.

They want to be Orthodox. They don't have to want or be Eastern.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: IAlmisry] #396694 07/13/13 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
They want to be Orthodox. They don't have to want or be Eastern.


Uh, kinda like Rusyns and stuff who want to be Catholic without being Western? Can we assume we have therefore heard the last of you griping about Brest etc?

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: JDC] #396698 07/13/13 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JDC
Originally Posted by IAlmisry
They want to be Orthodox. They don't have to want or be Eastern.


Uh, kinda like Rusyns and stuff who want to be Catholic without being Western? Can we assume we have therefore heard the last of you griping about Brest etc?

not until you can cough up the Eastern Sigismund, and show how the liturgical books have been changed to show the adoption of the West's Scholastic theology (like taking the epiclesis out and putting the filioque in)-you know, the things that are supposedly a no no now.

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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Originally Posted by JDC
Originally Posted by IAlmisry
They want to be Orthodox. They don't have to want or be Eastern.


Uh, kinda like Rusyns and stuff who want to be Catholic without being Western? Can we assume we have therefore heard the last of you griping about Brest etc?

not until you can cough up the Eastern Sigismund, and show how the liturgical books have been changed to show the adoption of the West's Scholastic theology (like taking the epiclesis out and putting the filioque in)-you know, the things that are supposedly a no no now.


That's a bit scattered, isn't it, as justifications go? That it's voluntary? As if centuries of membership is coerced, or that a lot of Anglicans just woke up one day and thought "to Antioch!" of pure doctrinal conviction, rather than being chased out of their own religion, and joining whoever would take them and leave their hymnody intact. Anyway, never mind; this debate has been had here, and I find the whole thing silly and romantic and lacking a basic understanding of people and why they do things.

But I appreciate your consistency.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: JDC] #396703 07/13/13 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JDC
Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Originally Posted by JDC
Originally Posted by IAlmisry
They want to be Orthodox. They don't have to want or be Eastern.


Uh, kinda like Rusyns and stuff who want to be Catholic without being Western? Can we assume we have therefore heard the last of you griping about Brest etc?

not until you can cough up the Eastern Sigismund, and show how the liturgical books have been changed to show the adoption of the West's Scholastic theology (like taking the epiclesis out and putting the filioque in)-you know, the things that are supposedly a no no now.


That's a bit scattered, isn't it, as justifications go?

No. I like to cover all bases.
Originally Posted by JDC

But I appreciate your consistency.

Thanks.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: IAlmisry] #396709 07/13/13 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Well, that's a disappointment and shame.

When I read the news, I spend about 5 seconds imagining what you, DMD, and other Orthodox posters would say if our positions were reversed, i.e. if there were a comparable announcement made about Eastern Catholicism.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396710 07/13/13 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by chadrook
I always wondered what was the point of a western rite. If they wanted to be Orthodox, then be it.

Is this ^^ post for real? Western-Rite Orthodox are Orthodox.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Peter J] #396715 07/14/13 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Well, that's a disappointment and shame.

When I read the news, I spend about 5 seconds imagining what you, DMD, and other Orthodox posters would say if our positions were reversed, i.e. if there were a comparable announcement made about Eastern Catholicism.

I'll say it now: the door is always open.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396716 07/14/13 12:27 AM
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I hate to disappoint Peter, but not all (more like not any outside of the internet) Orthodox gave ROCOR's "WRO" any thought during its existence, let alone upon its demise. If the Vicariate's webpage is still up, one can see the average "parish" has about ten souls. To partially borrow from Shakespeare, the whole matter is full of sound and fury, signifying little.



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