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Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Nelson Chase] #396769
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Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
Do issues like this one not highlight the need for a strong primacy of the Bishop of Rome?

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Nathan Monk was the last straw: a 28-year-old showoff priest wannabe who loudly quit everything after eight months. He was the bomb that blew up Western Rite ROCOR, even though he wasn't WR when he quit. He was one of those hastily ordained for WR.


Sad story really. I for one was taken in by his outreach to the homeless.

No, they do not.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Nelson Chase] #396777
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Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
Do issues like this one not highlight the need for a strong primacy of the Bishop of Rome?

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Nathan Monk was the last straw: a 28-year-old showoff priest wannabe who loudly quit everything after eight months. He was the bomb that blew up Western Rite ROCOR, even though he wasn't WR when he quit. He was one of those hastily ordained for WR.


Sad story really. I for one was taken in by his outreach to the homeless.


Nelson, I dont understand what this has to do with Rome?

Fogey, you are wrong about Nathan Monk. He was only a part of the issue. This goes way back the the Fr John Shaw years and the secret western rite parishes that found their hiding places in the hinterlands of middle and western America. It wasn't until his elevation to Bishop and gramata for internet activity that landed him on the east coast. Here, where there is an abundance of Russians, that his activities landed him in hot water.


Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Nelson Chase] #396782
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Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
Do issues like this one not highlight the need for a strong primacy of the Bishop of Rome?

Alright! Post #28, I win the pool!

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Peter J] #396784
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Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
Do issues like this one not highlight the need for a strong primacy of the Bishop of Rome?

Alright! Post #28, I win the pool!

What is post #28?

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396791
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The Western Rite has not disappeared in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR), nor will it do so, in my opinion. You may notice that I can speak with some authority on this subject. None of the four members of the Commission created by the Synod of Bishops is hostile to the Western Rite. In fact, three of the four (including its President) are on record supporting the Western Rite in ROCOR. Please, let's have no more nonsense. In taking in an existing body, and allowing the leadership of that body to operate the way they had been operating outside the Church, several regrettable decisions were made by ROCOR. These need to be corrected and our Western Rite communities set on the right path. It's as simple as that.

Archpriest (sometimes styled 'Protopriest') David Straut

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Fr David Straut] #396793
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Originally Posted by Fr David Straut
The Western Rite has not disappeared in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR), nor will it do so, in my opinion. You may notice that I can speak with some authority on this subject. None of the four members of the Commission created by the Synod of Bishops is hostile to the Western Rite. In fact, three of the four (including its President) are on record supporting the Western Rite in ROCOR. Please, let's have no more nonsense. In taking in an existing body, and allowing the leadership of that body to operate the way they had been operating outside the Church, several regrettable decisions were made by ROCOR. These need to be corrected and our Western Rite communities set on the right path. It's as simple as that.

Archpriest (sometimes styled 'Protopriest') David Straut


Are the Western Rite parishes being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite or not?


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Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #396795
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Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
Are the Western Rite parishes being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite or not?


Father Deacon, I would have thought from what I just said (you quote it) that I very clearly said that they are not being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite.

Fr David

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: IAlmisry] #396806
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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
Do issues like this one not highlight the need for a strong primacy of the Bishop of Rome?

Alright! Post #28, I win the pool!

What is post #28?

I bet on posts # 26-30. Post #28 was the first one to say the ROCOR decision points to a need for a strong papal primacy, so I won the pool.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Fr David Straut] #396807
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Originally Posted by Fr David Straut
The Western Rite has not disappeared in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR), nor will it do so, in my opinion. You may notice that I can speak with some authority on this subject. None of the four members of the Commission created by the Synod of Bishops is hostile to the Western Rite. In fact, three of the four (including its President) are on record supporting the Western Rite in ROCOR. Please, let's have no more nonsense. In taking in an existing body, and allowing the leadership of that body to operate the way they had been operating outside the Church, several regrettable decisions were made by ROCOR. These need to be corrected and our Western Rite communities set on the right path. It's as simple as that.

Archpriest (sometimes styled 'Protopriest') David Straut


Father, since you sit on the commission can you clarify these two points?
8) To address an epistle to the clergymen and communities of the Western Rite regarding the need for them to adopt the order of divine services of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, while preserving, when necessary, certain particularities of the Western Rite.

9) To emphasize our adherence to the rules and traditions of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church in general and of the Russian Orthodox Church in particular.

It makes since that Fr. Anthony is on the commission, he has been running a western rite liturgy for 20+ years.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Fr David Straut] #396809
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Originally Posted by Fr David Straut
Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
Are the Western Rite parishes being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite or not?


Father Deacon, I would have thought from what I just said (you quote it) that I very clearly said that they are not being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite.

Fr David


I ask because these two points seem to contradict that:

8) To address an epistle to the clergymen and communities of the Western Rite regarding the need for them to adopt the order of divine services of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, while preserving, when necessary, certain particularities of the Western Rite.

9) To emphasize our adherence to the rules and traditions of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church in general and of the Russian Orthodox Church in particular.




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Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #396810
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Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
Originally Posted by Fr David Straut
Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
Are the Western Rite parishes being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite or not?


Father Deacon, I would have thought from what I just said (you quote it) that I very clearly said that they are not being forced to adopt the Byzantine Rite.

Fr David


I ask because these two points seem to contradict that:

8) To address an epistle to the clergymen and communities of the Western Rite regarding the need for them to adopt the order of divine services of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, while preserving, when necessary, certain particularities of the Western Rite.

9) To emphasize our adherence to the rules and traditions of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church in general and of the Russian Orthodox Church in particular.

Fr David's the authority here but this sounds like shutting down the WR to me.

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Peter J] #396816
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I bet on posts # 26-30. Post #28 was the first one to say the ROCOR decision points to a need for a strong papal primacy, so I won the pool.


I'm glad that I could help Peter. Please send me my share of the earnings. wink grin

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: chadrook] #396818
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Let's see:

Moose and Elks have lodges.

Knights of Columbus have councils.

My guess is that post #28 is VFW or American Legion. laugh

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My guess is that post #28 is VFW or American Legion. laugh


I belong to VFW Post #9578 in Alpine, Ca. grin

Re: ROCOR Western Rite Disappears? [Re: Nelson Chase] #396820
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Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
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I bet on posts # 26-30. Post #28 was the first one to say the ROCOR decision points to a need for a strong papal primacy, so I won the pool.

I'm glad that I could help Peter. Please send me my share of the earnings. wink grin

Sorry frown that's against the rules.

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