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beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy #399187
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I'm not sure where to put this, so please move if this isn't the right place.

My pastor just sent me this video of a Ukrainian Divine Liturgy filmed recently. The youtube description says:

The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was celebrated at the 2013 Napa Institute Conference by the Rt. Rev. Mitered Protopresbyter Andriy Chirovsky, Fr. David Anderson, Fr. Ted Wroblicky, and Fr. James Bankston, along with Deacon Alex Wroblicky and Deacon Sabatino Carnazzo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFOuz_hAbw

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Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399188
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Beautiful. Thank you for sharing smile

Originally Posted by babochka
I'm not sure where to put this, so please move if this isn't the right place.

My pastor just sent me this video of a Ukrainian Divine Liturgy filmed recently. The youtube description says:

The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was celebrated at the 2013 Napa Institute Conference by the Rt. Rev. Mitered Protopresbyter Andriy Chirovsky, Fr. David Anderson, Fr. Ted Wroblicky, and Fr. James Bankston, along with Deacon Alex Wroblicky and Deacon Sabatino Carnazzo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFOuz_hAbw

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399189
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When did the laity start exchanging the Kiss of Peace ?

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399198
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There is much to laud in that DL, but I found myself squirming at certain bits as well; NOT because of any lack on the part of the celebrants, but because there were certain idiosyncrasies in the service that made me raise my eyebrows a few times. To the Latin audience, I'm sure they wouldn't have made any difference, but to a Greek audience, they itch a bit.

For one thing, I know my own bishop would not approve of wearing the skoufia in place of a kamilavka, as if it was liturgical - as opposed to extra-liturgical - headgear.

Then, with no iconostas and no solea, there was no liturgical movement of the deacons - for example, to the side during the singing of the first antiphon. And why not sing the second antiphon?

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399199
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Now now Father - how many UGCC Churches do you know where they take the 2nd Antiphon ? :P

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: Slavophile] #399200
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It was very beautiful Liturgy regardless.

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: Our Lady's slave] #399201
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Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
When did the laity start exchanging the Kiss of Peace ?


Yes, that was a bit strange, and also very noisy.

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399202
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Hope you did not miss seeing the very beautiful Divine Liturgy on EWTN this past Saturday afternoon.

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EWTN had Divine Liturgy of Exaltation of the Holy Cross on TV .
It was beautifully sung by the choir but I noticed that they sang the Trisagion and not the " To you Cross Oh Master..." as should have been used or can changes be made?

Kolya

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: Pavloosh] #399206
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Originally Posted by Pavloosh
Hope you did not miss seeing the very beautiful Divine Liturgy on EWTN this past Saturday afternoon.


Unfortunately, I did miss it. Does anybody know if it will be on again?

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399214
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Originally Posted by babochka
Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
When did the laity start exchanging the Kiss of Peace ?


Yes, that was a bit strange, and also very noisy.


How, I have to ask, is that consistent with the Vatican 2 directive that the Eastern churches strive to return to a more authentic tradition? Innovations like that truly rub us Orthodox the wrong way and reinforce our reflexive response which is to distrust the Vatican. I can only imagine the reaction from more traditionalist Orthodox quarters.

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: babochka] #399217
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I share your concern DMD. I don't want to be negative, but I have enquirers asking me about the Eastern Catholic Church all the time, including what our liturgical life is like. As a 'Byzantiniser' myself, and someone who would happily self-describe as 'Orthodox-in-communion-with-Rome', I want to be able to point to resources that actually reflect that position.

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As Fr. Taft says, "It's the Kiss of Peace, not "a kiss apiece".

Re: beautiful video of Ukrainian Divine Liturgy [Re: DMD] #399230
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Originally Posted by DMD
Originally Posted by babochka
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When did the laity start exchanging the Kiss of Peace ?


Yes, that was a bit strange, and also very noisy.


Innovations like that truly rub us Orthodox the wrong way and reinforce our reflexive response which is to distrust the Vatican.


But, DMD, aren't there Orthodox parishes who have introduced innovations on their own initiatives? Altar girls, for example?

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I suggest attending a celebration of one of the most ancient extant Anaphorae, that of Sts. Addai and Mari. You will find the Kiss of Peace begun with the clergy to the deacons and then passed to the subdeacons (if present) and then the congregation. It is also practiced in the Armenian Apostolic Church with the person offering the greeting inclining his head first to the right, and then to the left of the person with the greeting "Christ is revealed among us" with the response "Blessed is the revelation of Christ."


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