The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
son of the desert, chchannel, OrbisNonSufficit, SergLts, RusFrog
5656 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 153 guests, and 128 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Byzantine Nebraska
Byzantine Nebraska
by orthodoxsinner2, December 11
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
by Santiago Tarsicio, March 17
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
by JLF, November 10
Upgraded Russian icon corner
Upgraded Russian icon corner
by The young fogey, October 20
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
by likethethief, June 12
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics34,879
Posts412,865
Members5,656
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Who is Patriarch Elijah ....
#402392 12/26/13 10:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 363
I
Member
OP Offline
Member
I
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 363
and the Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church?

I hope I am not touching a sore spot here with some folks. I saw a video on YouTube and all I want to know is a description of this Patriarch and his Church.

Thank you.

Re: Who is Patriarch Elijah ....
Irish_Ruthenian #402394 12/27/13 02:35 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
O
Member
Offline
Member
O
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
Hmmm a good summary can be found on :-

this page



and that I think sums them up frown

Re: Who is Patriarch Elijah ....
Our Lady's slave #402398 12/27/13 08:42 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 363
I
Member
OP Offline
Member
I
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 363
Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
Hmmm a good summary can be found on :-

this page

and that I think sums them up frown


Okay. He and the "Church" he leads are schismatics, right?

Last edited by Irish_Ruthenian; 12/27/13 08:53 AM.
Re: Who is Patriarch Elijah ....
Irish_Ruthenian #402400 12/27/13 08:56 AM
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 70
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 70
Perhaps I am uncertain what you mean by, "Are they Orthodox?" but from reading the article linked above, it appears to me that they have been excommununicated and their bishops declared invalid.

Re: Who is Patriarch Elijah ....
Irish_Ruthenian #402402 12/27/13 09:09 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
O
Member
Offline
Member
O
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,571
Perhaps a kinder description of Non-canonical could be used - they are certainly not in Communion with the UGCC , their clergy having been ex-communicated, and therefore they are not in Communion with the Latin Church either.

I'm not entirely sure how the canonical Orthodox Churches would regard them but as they proclaim themselves to be Catholic - they would certainly not be permitted to approach the Chalice for Communion there either.

How they are regarded by the SSPX - I have no idea , but the SSPX still have their own problems to sort out.

All this can, I suspect, be summed up as - they are their own Church , answerable only to their own clergy , and believe, and proclaim to anyone who will listen , that all the rest of us are wrong .


Re: Who is Patriarch Elijah ....
Our Lady's slave #402404 12/27/13 10:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,173
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,173
Yes, they are only "Orthodox" in the English translation of the Ukrainian "pravovirny" or "right-believing."

They regard Orthodox as "schismatics." These were a group of UGCC Basilians who formed their own "church" and declared themselves "bishops."

They have hurled excommunications at the Roman Catholic Church and the UGCC, saying they are complicit in the "homosexualization" of the Church and the like.

As for the "patriarch Elias," he has the same canonical status as our Mor Ephrem here . . . wink (Phil was enthroned a patriarch of New Orleans and North America by a number of Forum members, myself included, several years back . . .)

Alex

Last edited by Orthodox Catholic; 12/27/13 10:16 AM.

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2020 (Forum 1998-2020). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4