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Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine #403288 02/05/14 05:51 PM
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Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403290 02/05/14 07:23 PM
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Kiev the mother of Russian cities is more importantly the capital city of Ukraine. Nowhere in the petition is Ukraine mentioned - just another example of Russian Orthodox arrogance.

Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403291 02/05/14 07:31 PM
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Pavloosh, are you first a Ukrainian or a Christian? To label a prayer for peace, arrogance, shows your true colors, and they ain't pretty.

Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403292 02/05/14 08:20 PM
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Oh, come off it already. You know full well what I am saying. You consider such a slanted "petition" so Christianlike? Is the word "Ukraine" so distasteful to the Russian hierarch that he avoids using it even in a socalled prayer?
By the way, I am very proud of my heritage and am sick of selfserving statements by those who color history and current day facts to further their own Russian agenda.
Enough said and good night!

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Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403293 02/05/14 08:32 PM
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I've tried.

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet." Matt 10:14

Ви розумієте?

Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403294 02/05/14 08:38 PM
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For those interested in utilizing this petition for the restoration of peace, civil order and brotherly love in the Ukraine, here is the link to the Slavonic and English version suitable for insertion into the Sluzhebnik.

http://eadiocese.org/News/2014/feb/Kiev%20petition.pdf


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Originally Posted by Pavloosh
Kiev the mother of Russian cities is more importantly the capital city of Ukraine. Nowhere in the petition is Ukraine mentioned - just another example of Russian Orthodox arrogance.


Now there is the attitude I am use to seeing! Whats next will you join the riots?

Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403299 02/05/14 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Pavloosh, are you first a Ukrainian or a Christian? To label a prayer for peace, arrogance, shows your true colors, and they ain't pretty.


And some would say to use deliberately antagonistic language in a petition reveals their true colors.

A different petition:
We call for prayers during all Divine Liturgies throughout our churches in Canada for the people of Ukraine in these turbulent times, including the following petition in the litany (ektenia) after the Gospel reading:
We also pray for the people of Ukraine, that with the help of the Holy Spirit, they may obtain social peace, political harmony and economic stability: Lord, hear us and have mercy.

May the peace we enjoy in this country, not lessen but rather increase our concern for our brothers and sisters in our ancestral land, through the prayers of the Mother of God and all Ukrainian saints.

Most Reverend Lawrence Huculak OSBM, Metropolitan









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Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403301 02/05/14 11:38 PM
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Russian? You mean Little Ukrainian?

Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance] #403306 02/06/14 09:48 AM
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Thank you Father Deacon Lance.
And in the United States our petitions:
“We also pray to the Almighty Lord for the people of Ukraine who are struggling these days to defend their God given rights and freedom of speech, choice and religion. Grant them all and especially leaders of the Ukrainian nation wisdom, good judgment and discernment to find mutual understanding and respect that would lead to a peaceful resolution of the ongoing conflict, we pray to You, O Lord, and have mercy.“

“O merciful Lord and Lover of Mankind, look down mercifully upon those who laid down in sacrifice their lives for the improved future of Ukraine in the ongoing conflict and for hundreds of people that are wounded and hurt. Bestow your healing power upon all who need it that their sufferings be lessen and receive full recovery, we pray to You, O Lord, and have mercy.“

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Statement by Archbishop Chaput of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia

From Archbishop Chaput:http://www.pacatholic.org/wp-content/uploads/chaputheadshot.jpg

We belong to one Church – a family that spans continents and centuries, bound together by a common faith in Jesus Christ. In that spirit, today I ask all Catholics in the Greater Philadelphia region to pray urgently for the Church in Ukraine and to press our elected federal representatives for financial and travel restrictions on Ukraine’s political and business leaders.

Western Catholics remember the suffering of the Polish Church under Communism because of Pope John Paul II’s witness of resistance. Less well known, but even more brutal, was the half-century of Soviet persecution experienced by Ukrainian Greek Catholics, who make up the largest Eastern Catholic Church in the world.

After Communism’s collapse, life for the Church in Ukraine improved. But late last year Ukraine’s leaders shifted back toward the Russian orbit. They cracked down heavily on demonstrations and dissent, killing some protesters and arresting hundreds of others. Christians in Ukraine – Catholics, Orthodox and others — have not been silent. The Church’s people and leaders have played a major role in denouncing government violence, political repression and corruption. Ukrainian Catholic clergy have given vital pastoral care to those demonstrating for human rights and democratic principles. And they’ve been targeted by the government for doing so.

Last week, the Wall Street Journal voiced its frustration with Washington’s inaction – and seeming disinterest — in the face of the worsening Ukraine crisis. The Journal’s editors noted that the best way of curbing repression by corrupt Ukraine officials and “business oligarchs” is a visa ban and freeze on their American-based assets. But so far, it hasn’t happened.

Philadelphia’s Ukrainian Catholic Archbishop Stefan Soroka has called on all of us as fellow Catholics, and other Americans of good will, to support the struggle for religious and civil liberties in Ukraine. We can do that first and most importantly by prayer – and then by contacting our elected representatives. Silence from the United States encourages oppression in Ukraine. We can’t let that happen, again, to fellow believers who bore so much suffering for so many decades.

It’s a privilege to join my own voice, and the voice of the people and clergy of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, to the voice of Archbishop Soroka and the Ukrainian Catholic community.

+Charles J. Chaput, O.F.M. Cap.
Archbishop of Philadelphia
KINDLY NOTE: The statement by Archbishop Stefan Soroka and his brother Ukrainian Catholic bishops in the United States can be found at www.ukrarcheparchy.us/, along with other critical information about the situation in Ukraine.

Re: Appeal by Metropolitan Hilarion for Peace in Ukraine [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #403739 02/28/14 01:19 PM
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Actually, at the ROCOR church I attend a petition was added last Sunday to one of the litanies. My Slavonic is adequate enough to understand that, yes, Ukraine was actually mentioned by name more than once.
It might help to remember that in many instances outside the anglosphere and west Ukraine, East Slavic ethnic identity can be more fluid.


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