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Ukraine's Catholic leaders back military campaign 'to protect our homeland against Russia'

08 August 2014 by Jonathan Luxmoore
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/104...-to-protect-our-homeland-against-russia-

The head of Ukraine’s Greek Catholic Church has urged his countrymen “not to be afraid to defend their homeland” as official military chaplains began work for the first time in the country since Communist rule and Russian forces announced a major border exercise.

“For the first time in the post-[Second World] war years, people need to give their lives and shed blood for their country’s independence,” said Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk of Kiev-Halych. “But God’s power is able to extinguish any conflict and confrontation – and people who hope in God remain undefeated and can defend their country and state.”

The archbishop, whose church combines the Eastern Rite with loyalty to Rome, was speaking as Ukrainian army units were reported to be gaining ground against pro-Russia separatists around the eastern cities of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Russia’s Defence Ministry announced exercises this week on the Ukrainian border, involving over 100 bombers and fighter jets, as military chaplains began work in Ukraine’s armed forces in 1 August, nine decades after chaplaincies were abolished under Soviet rule. The secretary general of the Greek Catholic Synod of Bishops, Bishop Bogdan Dziurach, told The Tablet that his church had designated around 70 priests for military work, of whom a dozen were currently serving in the eastern conflict zone.

In a separate interview, Bishop Dziurach welcomed new US and European Union sanctions as a “necessary step to stop the Kremlin and end the carnage”. He added that Western governments now “saw more clearly” that Russian actions threatened “the entire world”.

Pro-Russia forces released a Catholic priest, Fr Viktor Vonsevich, last week after abducting him in mid-July, but were reported to have killed five Pentecostal pastors and youths after accusing them of helping the Ukrainian army. The Interfax news agency reported on Monday that an Orthodox priest, Vladimir Kreslansky, had been killed by Ukrainian army shelling at Luhansk.

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Not surprising. I don't have a dog in this fight: neither side is Communist anymore and we don't really trade with either (some Russians now own Getty and some Mobil stations; that's it). Catholics are tempted to be shortsighted by being reflexively anti-Russian. That would betray God's and our vision for bringing these estranged Catholics back to the church. That said, of course the Ukraine and the Ukrainian Catholic Church have the right to defend themselves.

As you know, outside of Greek Catholic Galicia, most of the Ukraine, like Russia, is secular with a big Orthodox minority.

My only hope is that the Ukraine settles into being a conservative, Catholic-friendly state.

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Dear Serge,

While Germany went through a period of de-Nazification, this never occurred in "post-Soviet Russia."

In fact, Mr. Putin is trying to re-establish the old Soviet empire by means of the Soviet ideology which has never died out in Moscow and Russia - together with a good dose of imperial nationalism and Orthodoxy thrown in (the same policies Stalin adopted when he needed to rally his people during WWII).

It has nothing to do with being "anti-Russian" since there are many Russians who: a) oppose Putinism and b) have fled to Ukraine and elsewhere to do what they cannot do in Russia.

But thanks to the UGCC's support of the faithful, of all Church affiliations, throughout this continuing crisis - it now has quite the broad appeal to even the secular population.

As one Ukrainian TV journalist asked an Orthodox prelate, "Given how the Greek-Catholics have played such an important role in supporting the people in their struggles of late, perhaps it is the UGCC that should be our one and only Church?"

I kid you not.

Alex

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About the only valid point I see here is the Russians understandably have Soviet nostalgia: they are proud of having been a superpower. Mix that with Orthodoxy and you get good old-fashioned Russian nationalism, ironically with Commie symbols, not an atheist country threatening to conquer or nuke us. (Transdniester, like Russia proper, is the same way.) They're not our problem anymore.

As a Catholic, the appeal of the Ukraine to me, at least the far west, is it's like Russia without the schismatic chip on their shoulder. Would I love to see the country be majority Greek Catholic, like the first Eastern Christians I knew well, Ukrainian exiles from World War II, said it was? You bet. Do I think it's likely? Not at all. The Ukraine, like Russia proper, is Sovietized secular with a big Orthodox minority, plus, unique to the Ukraine, a small Greek Catholic minority.

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Well, the Soviet ideology is alive and well and is ready to blossom forth again - whether we want to accept it or not. The methodologies are different, the goals remain the same which is to exercise control over Europe via control over energy.

The UGCC "minority" has been a powerful one, even during the formal Soviet period.

It was from the Ternopil/Galician region where most of the vocations to the Russian Orthodox priesthood emanated from. It is still the most religious area and was so when it was part of the ROC. This is also a large part of why the ROC yells "foul" so loudly at Rome - as if Rome concocted a successful plot to resurrect the UGCC. The UGCC came back to life because it refused to die.

And the UGCC's influence in Ukraine today far outweighs its "minority" status - you are making way too much out of that.

Sociologically, the UGCC has much more influence, including the 1% of Greek Catholics in Kyiv, than any Orthodox group. I'm in continual contact with UGCC priests and also bishops who are intimately involved in the ongoing struggles in Ukraine - what they have to say really is a great eye-opener.

The UOC-MP is today in full retreat and we await who it chooses as its next Primate this week.

Sorry to be argumentative - but that's what a forum is for. As to what is "valid" or not - that is always a matter of subjective opinion backed up by argument.

Alex

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